discussion on Twilight (and Eragon)

Hero wrote:Sorry. Uh, this might be too... Sorry. I just get very passionate about Feminism. Sorry.

Don't be sorry! It's a good thing! ^^ We need more people like you and other independent YWSers! To add to your rant, anyone can try to kill themselves and claim it was true love which drove them to do it, but really...
*sighs in an annoyed fashion* Drama queens.
Okay, so I'm writing something at the moment where I hope to dispel this illusion of "true love". One character has actually gone and killed themselves over it *rolls eyes* and the other is disgusted by this, arguing how it is a "romantic" motion which becomes wasted because afterwards you are DEAD. There is no "oh, you really loved me that much?" You wouldn’t' know because you would no longer exist.
Phew. Now I've got that off my chest.

Hero wrote:I know I'm going to sound like a Twifan, but, um, how much did you read? Because, if you have read all the books, then, you know that its never sexual? I mean, compare it to Twilight: in Twilight, all the series, how many times does Bella want to do it with Edward? That's right; a bajillion. In DS, how many times does Debbie want to do it with Darren? Zero. Yeah, Darren really, really wants to do it, but they never do.

Let's clear this up (hopefully). ^^

I wrote:The hints between (Debbie?) and the MC maybe later having a sexual relationship didn't go too well with me though.

I remember there was this one line... I'm not too sure; I haven't read it in YEARS, as I've said... But it was something about "looked at her with the hungry eyes of an adult" and about crossing the line of student/teacher or something along those lines. It was during his second "stage/morph" whatever ya wanna call it. Seriously, I have not read it in ... six years. I know they never did, but there were hints that if he hadn't of ! then they possibly would have. But if I've got it wrong, I apologise. ^^ Just my typically bad memory there!

One character has actually gone and killed themselves over it *rolls eyes* and the other is disgusted by this, arguing how it is a "romantic" motion which becomes wasted because afterwards you are DEAD. There is no "oh, you really loved me that much?" You wouldn’t' know because you would no longer exist.

This reminds me of a line from the show Veronica Mars, where a less-than-intelligent jock repeatedly insists that if his ex-girlfriend asked he would jump off the roof of the school for her.

I was talking to a girl who does student teaching for 6th grade, and she says she keeps Twilight in her classroom because it gives her a connection with the students. She says some reading, even Twilight, is better than no reading at all, and tries to switch the Twilight out for something more intellectual and mind-expanding. But she was talking to one of her students,and this girl said she had read the books, but didn't like Edward because he was mean and that Bella needs to find a new boyfriend. It just made me happy.

I hate how Meyer acts like killing yourself just because your girlfriend/boyfriend died is romantic. Talk about being overdramatic. Plenty of people have people they care about die, and they don't run off to Italy to die!

Read through this thread here, and you'll see some of our very reasoned arguments for disliking it. What the misunderstanding between Twifans and Anti-Twis is that what Twifans see as original (ie: vampires sparkling), the Anti-Twis see as stupid (ie: vampires should be scary, and sparkling isn't scary).

But since you're a diehard Twifan, maybe you can answer my biggest burning questions:

Why is Edward so attractive?

The answers of "He's hot!" and "He's mysterious/dangerous!" are not what I'm looking for.

What makes Edward such a "good/perfect" boyfriend/spouse? (other than "he's hot")?
Other than moments where he protects Bella from something evil, marrying her, and knocking her up, what does Edward do through the story that shows that he loves Bella? I mean really loves her in a Noah from The Notebook kind of way?

So,I've already said that I was Twilight Fan. But Come one? everyone knows that Twilight is not the best book in hostory nor the best book in the last few years. Is just a book, a book that happens to dragg a million teenagers-myslef included-to that perfect vamp guy.

BUt I was readin today this article about the top 100 book in history and I almost died. How cna Twilight be te second one? How can Twilight win over Atonement from Ian MCEwan and The Notebook and even Memoirs of a Geisha? Not to include the great classics such as Pride and Prejudice and Little Women. If Twilight is considered best book in History, I might stop reading at al some time soon.
Even Eragon won over Pulo Coelho's The Alchemist-Brazilian Author- is that possible?
If they are talking about good everlasting literature such as Goethe's or Poe's, then they do have to go read a first grade book so see if they can learn abit about literature there.
HOw can Atonement's narration be compared to Twilight's?!?!

I loathe twilight, because of SM the vampire and were wolf theme has now been destroyed by the fanfic and idea stealers. Also if you're going to write a vampire novel make it with real vampires, for example when dracula ( the original vampire) went into the sun he was burned or very badly hurt, when edward goes into then sun he glitters. And just a personal opinion, vampires and were wolves should only be in horror or other fantasy genres but NOT romance because if a vampire ( a real one) got into a relationship, it would only be to suck her veins dry.

With eragon I liked it but it did have many flaws such as: it's cliche, it's too much like Lord of the Rings, in eldest it gets very boring and in several places it is very convenient for example his back wound is healed before he leaves to go to battle. One last thing the movie was TERRIBLE!!! enough said

pudin.junidf: just out of curiosity, what came first on the list?

Edit: "The Notebook" made me cry. I was actually on the verge of sobbing. *sighs* Wonderful film. Their relationship was much, much more believable (and interesting) than B&E's.

Even Eragon won over Pulo Coelho's The Alchemist-Brazilian Author- is that possible?

Eragon was number 51, or something. The Lord of the Rings wasn't even mentioned.

I felt... betrayed.

just out of curiosity, what came first on the list?

Harry Potter was first, I believe.

But who put the list together? That's what we should know first.

Well people, I'd like to point out a website that I've found that could be relevant to this discussion.
http://teamdracula.webs.com/
It's a pretty small website, but it looks like it has potential.

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I also like their tagline: 'Because sometimes a stake through the heart just isn't enough.'

Hey, isn't human-vampire love necrophilia? Gross indeed
Its very sexist - For example

"Hurr Durr I'm Bella durr, Come rescue me edward!"
Edwards glittering beautiful glittering glitterful face turned around
"I'll rescue you!! and then I'll watch you sleep! Huzzah!"

"His skin, white despite the faint flush from yesterday's hunting trip, literally sparkled, like thousands of tiny diamonds were embedded in the surface. He lay perfectly still in the grass, his shirt open over his sculpted, incandescent chest, his scintillating arms bare. His glistening, pale lavender lids were shut, though of course he didn't sleep. A perfect statue, carved in some unknown stone, smooth like marble, glittering like crystal."

I got this from the webpage splitpin suggested.
First time in my life that I noticed hoe many times she repeats the same thing with different synonyms, but way too obvious synonyms.

i couldn't agree with you more. twilight seems easy, almost juvenile (not book 4) compared to harder novels. it is not really what i would call "intelligent, original" material. i mean, how many times have people used werewolves and vampires before? but it is unique, and has spurred a radical outpour of nonsense and sparkly junk with that freak pattinson's face on it. it is a shame how a creative, unusual, yet somewhat lower-level,book series can go so awry. the host, also by stephenie meyer, is much better. (possibly because it says adult novel)