discussion on Twilight (and Eragon)

empressoftheuniverse wrote:I retract my statement about House and replace it with "That guy from the Dos Equis Commercial," I was trying to think of someone who would turn me into a social pariah.

*shuns*

wookielover17 wrote:Ok first: What afraid of a little competition? Sorry I couldn't resist!!!

I know you're kidding here, but it comes across kind of rude. No one here has taken personal potshots and this was kind of uncalled for. It'd be like someone talking about how female toothpick models are ruining women's images of themselves and some dude pops in and says "What, afraid of competition?" It's just not cool.


You know, I'm not so much concerned about the crazy-obsessed Twifans as those people who simply like it and think that it makes a good argument for forbidden love. I know a lot of people who aren't the "die-hard" fan that everyone fears, but still think that Bells and Ed's love is "adorable", whereas I find it "cautionary". My main gripe with the whole thing is how it is influencing girls into thinking a certain kind of guy is okay to date. Sure, there are aspects of Edward that I like and would want in my significant other. However, there are other aspects that I do not like and am actually afraid of. And those are some of the aspects that are touted as the most adorable(for instance - Ed taking out the engine of Bells' car to keep her from going anywhere and then basically paying Alice to kidnap her. I mean, what the monkeys? My boyfriend did that, I am so calling the police and/or giving him a talking-to. But Bella is angry for a few minutes, then when Ed comes home - when she should have been yelling at him and then shunning him - she instantly breaks down for a cuddle...).

Hey guys!!! Didn't take me long to come back, huh? Ok first.

Stephanie Meyer made a lot of money out of this, and got people who considered reading "uncool" to actually read. Congratulations to her!
I just doesn't mean that her writing is good. But when it comes to Twifans, some people live for obsessing over something. Look at the "Trekkies" no one has raised much alarm against them. Just die-hard fans are people who have self-esteem issues mostly. They say to themselves "Look how popular and loved Bella is! She gets the most perfect guys like ever. Maybe if I act like her the same thing will happen to me."

Yes it isn't right and those people do need some guidance, but some people need something to worship/defend with their lives to actually live. It can also be the teenage need to be socially accepted, but I won't know I disliked Twilight and I read it in 2006. Long before this trend/popularity thing happened. People are entitled to their tastes no matter if they agree with me or not but being so obessed like some people are is not only stupid but dangerous for your mental state and in this case physical state

Now we have self esteem issues?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! Seriously come on!!!!! We do not have self esteem issues!!!! We love the books!!!! That doesn't mean we have issues with self esteem!!!!! The Trekis don't have issues!!! They just love Star Trek like we love Twilight!!! Just like the Potter geeks and The Star Wars geeks we love something so we go you know "go over the top" as some might say. But my self esteem is just fine!!! Thank you very much!!!!

Oh I didn't mean to hurt anyone's feelings by saying the competition thing. If I offended anyone I am really sorry!!! I am!!! I really didn't think it would hurt someones feelings!!! I just wanted to make a joke to lighten up the mood, you know? Sorry...

So yeah I think that's it. Laters!!!

Wookie. I was not referring to you. You have to understand that in this debate no one is particularly attacking you. There are just some people who this is the truth for them and it's what they live by everyday. If you kiss a poster everyday of Robert Patterison or Taylor Launter when you wake up, Trip over yourself to have face plants like Bella or compare every guy you meet to Edward then that is a problem but if it doesn't apply to you then I was not referring to you so please do not take this personally. If it does apply to you though, please! Accept my apologizes. But since I doubt that I say to not take this opinions as a personal attack because they are not.

~Kamas

Buffy the Vampire Slayer vs. Edward Cullen

Obviously this is played up a bit for comedic purposes, but see how creepy Edward's behavior becomes (same performance and everything) when projected at a less-than-interested Buffy?

Incidentally, if you listen to the song at the end (an actual song from the soundtrack), it's more than a little creepy. I happen to own the soundtrack (my brother found it flung on the side of the road and gave it to me) and listening to some of the songs, they come across incredibly stalkerish and abusive. I mean, in "I Caught Myself", it's pretty much about how the guy is forcing this relationship on the girl.

"Eyes on Fire" is the one at the end of the Buffy video and it's just sort of creepy.

"Never Think" is actually sung by Rob Pattinson and is sort of Edward's take on the whole thing. See? Even Edward knows he's wrong for Bella.

eyes on fire is from the twilight soundtrack, has nothing to do with buffy, not thta i know of. I have also seen every buffy episode, and most of the angel episodes, and i will admit that its just like everything else. people take it seriously, but its all about moderation.

by the way, thank you for that vid, you made my day

ridersofdamar wrote:eyes on fire is from the twilight soundtrack, has nothing to do with buffy, not thta i know of.

Yes, it's from the soundtrack for Twilight. Sorry if I didn't say that clearly. I mean it was from the Twilight soundtrack, but was the song that played at the end of the video I also linked to.

Comparing Star Trek to Twilight...

I have this massive rant just bursting to escape from my chest how those two are a complete 180 from each other values-wise. The reason no one is concerned by Trekkies is because Star Trek inspires people to live by higher values, and Twilight just inspires girls to ask Robert Pattinson to bite them...but I'll cut it short there, and just say that Picard and Spock >>>>>>> Edward Cullen in hotness. Oh, and Data actually kind of looks like Edward but is 10000X as awesome.

Hey, I'd take Murtagh over Edward any day. ~_^

The fact is, that, well...
I think that Bickazer is right. I'm not a Trekkie, but I do know that it tells us to be a better person. Or so people tell me.

Why not live by Darren Shan's Vampiric rules, i.e. don't kill people (unless you really, really, have to, and there is no avoiding it), live the life you choose, and you don't have to follow Destiny's rules; you can just take the loophole way out.

Why not live by Dracula's rules, i.e. kill all vampires because they are evil. Unless you can save the bitten by killing the head vampire. Other than that, kill all vampires.

Why is it that if you're a girl, you have to like vampromance? I mean, I like Darren Shan not for the tiny bits of romance, but more for the being-interesting. However, I dunno, no other girl seems to have read it. Is it because it's not vampromance?

If so, I am so protesting.

I read it! YEARS ago. I tried to read it again, but couldn't get past the first page. ...The millions of exclamation marks just killed, and it's such a gary-stue story... The reason why I read it all those years ago: the action. The creepiness. The hints between (Debbie?) and the MC maybe later having a sexual relationship didn't go too well with me though. *Pulls face* Not for that type of book/T.audience.

As for the Twilight religion ... O.o That's just sent shivers down my spine. I mean, come on! That's just ... very spooky and sad. Have people nothing better to do with their lives?

GryphonFledgling, that video was wonderful. And can I say, I do like the way Jack-a-Lynn argues their thoughts on the topic.. O.o

I can't be bothered right now to do a full-on rant. Maybe later.

~Emma

I just wanted to drop in and say that I like Robert Pattinson, including his music, and I think Taylor Lautner hot, but I'm not kissing posters.

And don't get me started on the Twilight religion. That's just ridiculous! Is the world this desperate? It's a book, for crying out loud! F-i-c-t-i-o-n-a-l characters. I'm okay with people liking it, gosh, I like it! But to make something other or more out of what it really is. Gee.

Well, I would comment about the Twilight religion except for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon

But at least us Star Wars fans have a sense of humor.

i like pattinsons music as well. My mom likes the books, and so she made me listen to the soundtrack and some songs were very good (muse- supermassive blackhole). Buuut yeah... no problem with the actors, or the book really, mostly its effect.

EmmaJane wrote:
GryphonFledgling, that video was wonderful. And can I say, I do like the way Jack-a-Lynn argues their thoughts on the topic.. O.o

Thank you, EmmaJane!

I also enjoy Robert Pattinson. He actually made Edward a little bit likeable in the film. Just a little. Of course, he didn't have much to work with as far as character, but he did the best he could.

But honestly, my biggest gripe about the movie? WORST CAMEO EVER! Seriously...slow pan in on the diner to some woman sitting at the counter. Is she important? Who is she? It's halfway through the movie, why haven't we seen her before? The waitress enters with the line "Here's your food, Stephanie," and all becomes nauseatingly clear. Bah! Horribly done. At least be clever like Peter Jackson and Stan Lee and don't draw attention to yourself! All PJ did was yell in the corner of the frame, get shot by Orlando Bloom, and throw a spear during an action sequence. You can hardly tell it's him unless you're looking for it. Sure, Stan Lee had lines in Spiderman and The Hulk and Ironman, but they were drive-by lines, brief moments. They didn't pan slowly in to Stan's face or use his real name. It was just enough to get a short giggle out of the fans, and the story moved on as if nothing had happened. (My personal favorite was his quick appearance as Hugh Hefner in Ironman. ) Even I, who had never seen S. Meyer, knew what they had done in that moment, and I was hard pressed not to chuck my slushie at the screen for it.
I blame Twilight's director the the bad cameo...and the bad effects. And the bad (or is it brilliant?) casting of Kristen Stewart . Apologies to those who like her, but she's just not very good at acting. There's a line off the Rifftrax for Twilight that describes it perfectly: in the moment where she's realized what Edward is and they have their "tense" confrontation and she is supposed to look scared or..worried..or...something, one of the audience chimes in "Seriously, I can't tell what emotion you're going for, 'cause you always just look nauseous."

Jack-a-Lynn wrote:"Seriously, I can't tell what emotion you're going for, 'cause you always just look nauseous."

I love that line! That made me crack up so badly! It's probably because she always has her mouth open.

Meh, I'm not good at telling if people are good actors or not. |: Unless they're REALLY bad, but the script could be blamed too. Yeah ... I don't really know what I'm babbling about...

O.o Step. Meyer was in the film...? O.o I laugh at myself for being so unobservant! Ha ha.

The Phantom of the Opera is the BEST with how their shots are put together, and the flow and how the angles affect the audience... There's a word for that, right? *I'm going to fail my Media Studies...* X|

Jack-a-Lynn wrote:Thank you, EmmaJane!

It's fine!

Rant more later! (or just yak pointlessly again)

~Emma

The hints between (Debbie?) and the MC maybe later having a sexual relationship didn't go too well with me though.

I know I'm going to sound like a Twifan, but, um, how much did you read? Because, if you have read all the books, then, you know that its never sexual? I mean, compare it to Twilight: in Twilight, all the series, how many times does Bella want to do it with Edward? That's right; a bajillion. In DS, how many times does Debbie want to do it with Darren? Zero. Yeah, Darren really, really wants to do it, but they never do.

In my book, Stephanie isn't writing the whole romance well. If anything, its even creepier than the Darren/Debbie thing, because the He is a macho-macho superman, and what? She never even slaps him in the face? Or let rip at him? Or even just disagree with him for one THING?! It's just insulting, that Steph is writing women as submissive slaves who want to be impregnated with creepy babies, by some creep, at the tender age of EIGHTEEN!
I know, some Twifan will jump at me and say 'OMG, she's in love with Edward, don't you get it?' Yeah, uh, people who are in love argue, and disagree, and fight. But the point is, they make up; whereas Smeyer never gives us the scenario that, heck, maybe Bella's angry at Edward for leaving her, so maybe she pretends that she wants Jacob; true love would probably get him to work for her affections, rather than him sitting in the golden throne as Bella rubs at his feet like a cat.

Sorry. Uh, this might be too... Sorry. I just get very passionate about Feminism. Sorry.