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Followers of Christ

A club for Christian conversation, fellowship, prayer, learning, sharing, and support.

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  • alliyah replied · Aug 20

    Reading Romans repeatedly this summer - > Romans 8 is so powerful.

    Romans 8:35-39 especially - "35 Can anything ever separate us from Christ’s love? Does it mean he no longer loves us if we have trouble or calamity, or are persecuted, or hungry, or destitute, or in danger, or threatened with death? 36 (As the Scriptures say, “For your sake we are killed every day; we are being slaughtered like sheep.”) 37 No, despite all these things, overwhelming victory is ours through Christ, who loved us.

    38 And I am convinced that nothing can ever separate us from God’s love. Neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither our fears for today nor our worries about tomorrow—not even the powers of hell can separate us from God’s love.
    39 No power in the sky above or in the earth below—indeed, nothing in all creation will ever be able to separate us from the love of God that is revealed in Christ Jesus our Lord."


    candyhearts replied · Aug 30

    Isaiah 6:1-5 <3

    In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord seated on a throne, high and exalted; and the train of His robe filled the temple. / Above Him stood seraphim, each having six wings: With two wings they covered their faces, with two they covered their feet, and with two they were flying. / And they were calling out to one another: “Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of Hosts; all the earth is full of His glory.”

    At the sound of their voices the doorposts and thresholds shook and the temple was filled with smoke.

    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”


  • cherie
    Looking to read more Christian work! What are yalls favorite Christian novelists/poets?

    alliyah replied · Jul 29

    Madeleine L'Engle is my all-time favorite (both her poetry and her novels! <3) I've read soooo many of her books.

    Also can highly recommend Christian poet + hymn writer that I've had the opportunity to meet occasionally - Gracia Gryndal - I highly recommend her book "The Sword of Eden" (Eve and Mary Speak).


    anathemancy replied · Jul 29

    if youve not read it, the space trilogy by cs lewis is amazing, and i second madeleine l'engle! also nadine brandes is an author ive heard people think highly of, and john otte and clint hall write amazing christian sci fi (ive attended several lectures by them at a conference over a couple years also and they are great people <3)


    FarDusk replied · Jul 30

    used to exclusively read christian novels when I was younger, and Andrew Peterson's Wingfeather Saga really stuck with me


    JESUSGURL replied · Aug 18

    Kathy Herman, Beverly Lewis!


  • cherie
    Just read this Substack article by Jordan Harmon on cussing and our language as believers in Christ and I found it really interesting and insightful!
    Article here

  • EveryUsernameTaken
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    I read a comment which said "If God's love is unconditional why is salvation conditional?" meaning one man had to die for us to be saved.

    I read through the thread. The person's other point was "Since God loves everyone as you say, why isn't everyone saved if he loves them so much? Is sending people to hell unconditional love?" clearly no.

    The Christian's reply was "gods love is unconditional but he does not violate your free will"

    I see many problems with this answer, first off he's God, if he's gonna save me from hell to bring me to salvation, I DON'T CARE IF HE VIOLATES MY FREE WILL, HE'S GOD! Please change my heart, that's my prayer honestly. But this doesn't answer the question.

    So, I find the best to way answer these questions is to use the bible. Let's see the context of these verses.

    Romans 8:35 "Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?"

    However interestingly enough Romans speaking to the believers! Not the world! We're almost answering this question now since we know God's unconditional love is only to his people who has saved and elected, what about that condition? Isn't it just more proof of that unconditional love? Specially if we believe that "According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" (Ephesians 1:4)

    So then, what of the world? Do they have this unconditional love? Clearly no. Only those God has chosen are in his unconditional love and he shows he would do anything for them to be with him in glory forever amen!

    Does this answer that question? I'm sure but now we know God does not send his beloved to the grave but gives them new life!

    Does that mean God hates? Let's see what the bible says.

    "As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated." Paul goes on to explain: "What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid. For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.  So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.  For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth. Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth." Romans 9:13-18

    alliyah replied · Jul 17

    spoilered for length -

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    Lots to think about here, you've pulled some really good/vital scripture passages to respond to folks with and for further study. This is a hard thing for our human hearts to accept; that God has chosen some for salvation and that this means some may not be saved...

    Romans 3 helps on this too, in addition to the Romans passages you've already highlighted. If we got what we deserved, all would die, for all have fallen short of the glory of God. But instead, God has chosen mercy for those He has chosen - for those whom God has willed to have faith, we will be saved, not by any work of our own; but through faith alone! ~

    Romans 3:21-26 "21 But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— 22 the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: 23 for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, 24 and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, 25 whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. 26 It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus."

    I think I line up with your views on this topic! God's mercy / love are far beyond our human comprehension to completely uncover, as humans ultimately we don't choose who is saved and who is not - but we know none are worthy, and trust in God's mercy that those believe and confess in Jesus Christ will be saved as scripture tells us. So therefore, let us hear, believe, and share God's gospel! <3


    TheMythMaster replied · Jul 17

    As far as the part about free will... I get your feelings exactly, God is God and he could totally make us change our heart, and love him and be perfect---but it wouldn't be real love. It would be like if I programmed a robot to be my friend, I would never be satisfied with its friendship because I know its just doing what I programmed. If we don't choose with free will to love Him, we're not really loving him, and He wishes for our real love.


    EveryUsernameTaken replied · Jul 25

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    We cannot love God, in our natural man we are rebellious and want to be our own God. So if God would let us choose by our free will we would reject him every time because no one wants to be under a higher being, they want to be their own God. Having to rely and realize you can nothing without that higher being is a death to the natural man's huge ego.

    "All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." (Isaiah 53:6) "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible." (Matthew 19:26) "I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing." (John 15:5) "even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." (John 14:17)


    alliyah replied · Jul 17

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    Not all Christians necessarily believe in free will Myth ~ especially in terms of our salvation. Personally, I believe I choose / don't choose many things during the day within my "free" will that are important, but I do not ultimately choose Christ, rather Christ has chosen me, and my faith latches on to this choice God has made for me in love. Jesus talks about this in John 15:16... "You did not choose me, I chose you". I love then not out of my goodness, but in obedience to God's Spirit living in me... Which sometimes very often I fail at! (Romans 7... Paul too identifies this struggle)

    Maybe in some sense having this faith and grace of God, now I have the chance to abide in it and live it out in love... But nothing I do or do not do will change the fate of my salvation which is sealed in the Water and Word of Jesus Christ. I am not saved because I have finally figured out how to love God perfectly (I haven't!) but rather because God loves me perfectly and has chosen me.

    That's my Lutheran perspective! Others may interpret differently!

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    paigey
    sorry if this doesn’t make total sense. I wanted to put it down somewhere.
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    getting more sensitive and uncomfortable when it comes to things like horror and it almost feels like losing a part of me somehow.
    things of that genre comforted me and now I’m uncomfortable with every mention of spirits and ouija boards when the main characters don’t even believe in God (honestly mostly referring to the show Supernatural.) not even baptized but I see the Lord working wonders in me.
    maybe I’m healing from that part of my life. maybe I will gain something new that is in His name. it’s fascinating really.

    cherie replied · Jul 16

    It's difficult, but I think this acts as a signal that God is moving in your heart! <3 If you ever need to pm and chat, feel free to pm me! I get convicted a lot and have had to stop consuming a lot of content I once loved. It's not easy but it's worth it


    alliyah replied · Jul 16

    I think that makes a lot of sense paigey! Scripture tells us that in faith even our hearts become transformed and renewed by the Spirit, rather than conformed to the world (Romans 12:2 + John 15) If we abide in Him, then He abides in us and makes our heart to look like His own. Which is sometimes very painful or even confusing.

    I think media is a place where I see that happening in my heart a lot too - as I seek and discern scripture more, there's certain songs I used to love that I just don't care for anymore that feel dark, or twisted, or undermining of my value in Christ! It can be very personal though - as I'm sure there's some Christians that don't have any trouble with those songs / media in their own discernment.

    I think it's good to listen to that voice of the Spirit that nudges you to say "no" to certain things though! Even if it's just for the quiet obedience of your own relationship with the Lord. As you mentioned, there's a sweetness to it too... as our hearts start to gain a greater appreciation for those things that draw us to Him... There are things I used to think of as being very boring and Christ has made lovely; listening to older people tell stories, watching nature, watering plants, sitting in silence... God has so much goodness for us and knows our hearts better than anyone else! Thanks for sharing some of your experiences!


  • winterwolf0100
    Last month, I finished the book The Cross and the Lynching Tree by theologian James H. Cone. SUPER thoughtful and interesting read comparing the existence of Black Americans in the US to Christ and his death on the cross. It touches on some heavy subjects of racism, white supremacy, and violence, of course, but he weaves the Bible masterfully throughout it and I'd strongly recommend it for anyone looking to dive deeper into that history through the lens of religion.

    alliyah replied · Jul 10

    May have to check that one out - I remember reading "Black Theology and Black Power" by James H Cone and enjoying it.


  • cherie
    I listened to all parts of this sermon yesterday and today during my drives to and from work. John MacArthur was an incredible theologian. I encourage everyone to listen to him teach the wonderful Word of God. Here is a link to part 1:
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  • Nate replied · Jul 8

    Dusty Bibles by Josiah Queen has been on my regular playlist now for several months. Love that song!

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    paigey replied · Jul 9

    Holy God, by Cory Asbury. :D


    alliyah replied · Jul 9

    Love both those answers! (big Cory Asbury fan @paigey!)

    "The Author" (Brandon Lake & Nick Jonas) is my favorite at the moment! :)


    spunkyspacekitty replied · Jul 9

    Grace Alone by the Modern Post is one of my all time favs


    Lael replied · Jul 9

    My current favorite CCM song is “Psalm 8 (Hallé)” by Phil Wickham, while my favorite hymn rendition lately has been “I’ll Fly Away” by Tommee Profitt and Fleurie.


    cherie replied · Jul 9

    He Who is Mighty, sung by Sovereign Grace! I love hymns especially for the quiet car rides to/from work.
    Also, love the hashtag idea! I'm currently compiling a list of some of my favorite verses so I'd love to see other people's fav verses!


    TheMythMaster replied · Jul 17

    I'll second Dusty Bibles! I found Josiah Queen a little while ago and have been listening to him a lot. My favourites are Barabbas and Two Wooden Beams


  • alliyah replied · Jul 8

    <3


  • alliyah Creator
    How do they make vacation bible school songs so catchy!?! xD It is both a curse and a blessing... a blessing because they are super easy to learn but then a curse because I'm trying to do other work and my brain is consumed with screaming "JESUS IS THE ONE WHO LIGHTS OUR WAYYY WO-OAH, WO-OAH! HE GIVES US HOPE FOR EACH. NEW. DAY! WO-OAH WO-OAH"

    Ah I love it. :)

    LadyMysterio replied · Jun 24

    I still have the lighthouse song moves in me somewhere lol


    winterwolf0100 replied · Jun 24

    Did y’all grow up with the kinda creepy “let your light shine” with the intense drums and the leader of the song walking from person to person to wake up the “machines” and join the song? :’]

    The teens went all out for it when I was younger and it always scared me LOL


    LadyMysterio replied · Jun 24

    I don't think so? That sounds creepy oh goodness lol. @winterwolf0100


    alliyah replied · Jun 24

    xD winter I never experienced that, but it sounds kinda fun!


    EveryUsernameTaken replied · Jul 8

    There's a lighthouse on the hillside. That overlooks life's (?) seas. When I'm tossed it sends out a light that I might see and the light that shines in darkness now will safely lead us home. If wasn't for the lighthouse (tell me) where would this ship be? I thank God for the lighthouse. I owe my life to him. Jesus is the lighthouse and from the rocks of sin he has shone a light around me that I might clearly see. If it wasn't for the lighthouse my ship would be no more.


  • cherie
    May 15, 2016
    Please pray for me and my husband as we consider a big life change ❤️


    Well, it looks like we may actually be moving 2 hours away to a new state and a new life.
    After what was supposed to be a 2 week deliberation turned into well over a month of going back and forth between staying in comfortability, or moving (as my husband has been given a job opportunity that would help us financially quite a bit). It’s.. scary, as I’ve lived in the same town my entire life, but trust my husband, and more importantly, I trust in the Lord. It hasn’t been set in stone yet, but my husband said he’s 98% sure we will be taking this opportunity. Continue to pray for us! Just wanted to give an update <3

    @Quillfeather @LadyMysterio @alliyah <3 thank you guys

    LadyMysterio replied · Jun 24

    Ahhh,that is big!


    Quillfeather replied · Jun 24

    Big things! I hope it is the absolute best for you even if it is difficult. I will be praying for y'all


    alliyah replied · Jun 24

    Ah big change! big change! <3333 Sounds like you two spent a lot of good time in discernment, hoping that makes you feel more at peace with where God is calling you and wishing you all the best as you move foward!


  • candyhearts
    There is a particular king in the Ancient Near East ~ a Hittite king, Anittas, who commissioned his scribes to work only on wood. His touch on the ancient world was as indelible as that medium, and we know now little of his language, his script, only that he had words, he left words, but never in ways that lingered.

    The Bible has, at first glance, no such scribes of wood, but wood is not precluded as an entextualizing medium here. In fact, it appears when it perhaps most should not. The Ark of the Covenant is wood, acacia wood. God knows that this materiality won't last, He knows the Ark begins to rot as soon as He inhabits it. That's the point, though, isn't it? God, the Hittite kings, the scribes whose work undoes all know the point of it: to leave nothing at all, except maybe a very important splinter.

    candyhearts replied · Jun 20

    This is how I view art, I think. God chooses an organic, mortal core and then sheaths it in incorruptible metal.


    alliyah replied · Jun 20

    Ah love these reflections !!!

    "But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong" (1 Cor 1:27)


  • winterwolf0100
    Spoilered purely for length, just thought rambles I guess
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    I've been struggling for a while now, since I am trans and grew up in a Church of Christ (child of a preacher, no less) and was always terrified I'd lose my dad his job if I came out. Now, 6 years after coming out, I'm finally able to approach a relationship to religion that *isn't* centered on fear. I don't love God because I fear what might happen if I don't, I love God because the world is beautiful and sacred and human beings are good. Also a whole bunch of other things like how much my understanding of the Bible has changed, literal vs metaphorical interpretations, etc. I don't know. Something about growing up with songs that always talked about me being unworthy, less than, trash, and now realizing that God does not love me in spite of me being unworthy, etc. God loves me because God does not believe I am unworthy of love. Like, man, if I could tell that to the middle schooler who had panic attacks because they were terrified they might go to Hell.

    I dunno. I went back and forth for YEARS on whether to subscribe to this club because the word Christian in today's world is used in so many harmful ways by groups of people who are not following Jesus' teachings, and I don't want to scare any users away (like other queer writers) who fear that because I'm in this club, I must think they're sinful for loving or understanding others/themselves. Over the past couple of years though I've also gotten the blessing of meeting other queer people who love God wholeheartedly--some of them studying ministry!

    There isn't really a point here, but uh, yeah, idk. Lol.

    LadyMysterio replied · Jun 20

    Quick question, when you say church of Christ, what is that? Like denomination wise I mean. I'm just not familiar with the term.
    I'm also someone who's experienced a lot of that... Let's say not great church culture.. and I'm glad you've come to realize that God loves you <3 and fearing God doesn't mean literally being terrified of him(i mean, he can do some pretty sane scary stuff, but point being, yeah)


    winterwolf0100 replied · Jun 20

    Church of Christ is an extremely traditional church where instruments are not allowed (acapella music only), there's extreme differences of gender (only men can preach, lead worship, give communion, say a prayer on stage, etc.). They're kind of famous for thinking they're the only kind of "real" Christian.
    Also, I understand that. I've grown into a belief that God is loving, and I don't think I've ever known anyone who feels *true* love who wants the person to fear them. Genuine love and giving yourself to one another is what Jesus is about, in my opinion, so I choose to believe in a God who is powerful but not scary.


    LadyMysterio replied · Jun 20

    Oh, interesting. I briefly wondered if it was a Jehovah's witness or Mormon thing. Actually, that rings a bell, the "real Christian thing" goodness that sounds @_@ wild tho. I think the way that fear got translated, and not explained, sort of confused a lot of people,(and kids!) I've come to learn it's more of, fear as in reverence and respect, especially in terms of mercy.

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    paigey replied · Jun 20

    happy you’re here, winter. God bless. *hugs*


    candyhearts replied · Jun 20

    <3


    alliyah replied · Jun 20

    (Hey! I'm a preacher's kid too - did not know that about you, but can resonate with the heavy burden that can come with that!) I am glad that faith is feeling like a comfortable place to land for you and within it that God's love for you is clear and loud, I believe that to be true too! You are precious in God's sight.

    In my faith, I would say that while I am wholly unworthy of salvation, that God has declared me wholly worthy of His love and grace through Christ. Love Romans 5:8 that tells us God shows His love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us. Which I take to mean, God did not / does not wait for me to be prove my righteousness, goodness, or perfection, He just loves me. He created me, saw me, and loved me so much He would send Christ to die for me, even in all my rough edges and broken places and nothing in all the world can separate me from that perfect love, not sin, not death, and no power of this world! <333 That is a powerful comfort!

    Any ways, welcome!



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