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Community Poetry Journal

A collaborative journal for poetry YWS-ers have read!

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  • Hijinks Admin
    I'm not sure if this was written with the intention of being a poem, but I found it in an Instagram post about poetry (and traced it back to a New York Times article, here - it's the second story. Please note that a lot of the other stories featured in the article are not super appropriate!) and I thought it was so poignant and bittersweet. It's part of a collection called "Tiny Love Stories" that are all under 100 words, and this particular one is A Bookmark Near the End by Julia Nicole Camp.
    He loves history. He wanted to write a biography of John Quincy Adams. I, shamefully, knew almost nothing about John Quincy Adams, so I went online and bought every biography of him I could find. One day, he called me, claiming that we wouldn’t work out long term. He said he loved me but that we had different interests. “What does love mean to you?” I said. “That’s an impossible question,” he replied. I, however, find love to be quite simple. Love is the stack of biographies on my nightstand with a bookmark near the end.

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    Liminality replied · Aug 21, 2022

    Oof that last line! This is a good one, Seirre, and I can totally see it working as poetry as well as prose. Thanks for sharing! :D Love the gif that you put together with it as well. The piece makes me think of something like optimism vs pessimism, or maybe faith vs doubt, since the narrator's action was based on belief that things 'could' work out if they just tried, whereas the other person's inaction seems to be based on a feeling that things are "impossible".


    Liminality replied · Nov 10, 2023

    Revisiting this a year later - this story still feels super impactful. Now I think maybe the difference between the narrator and the partner is in effort rather than optimism or pessimism, like the story depicts the partner as not trying while the narrator is. (And that love is about trying.)


  • Hijinks Admin
    I'm doing summer school English at the moment (hip hip hooray) and one activity my teacher had us do was something she called "Goldilocks Poetry" - find a poem we found too easy, a poem we found too hard, and a poem we found just right. And of course, explain why each one was easy/hard/perfect. I thought I'd share with you all my "just right" poem! It's called Thing You May Find Hidden in My Ear by Mosab Abu Toha.

    I felt like this poem was just right because, for one thing, I was completely captivated the whole time - and for another, it made me rethink the way I look at ears and sounds. To me, if a poem introduces you to a totally new image combo or idea or perspective, then you know it's done its job right.

    (tw: mention of bombs in second stanza)
    i

    When you open my ear, touch it
    gently.
    My mother’s voice lingers somewhere inside.
    Her voice is the echo that helps recover my equilibrium
    when I feel dizzy during my attentiveness.

    You may encounter songs in Arabic,
    poems in English I recite to myself,
    or a song I chant to the chirping birds in our backyard.

    When you stitch the cut, don’t forget to put all these back in my ear.
    Put them back in order as you would do with books on your shelf.

    ii

    The drone’s buzzing sound,
    the roar of an F-16,
    the screams of bombs falling on houses,
    on fields, and on bodies,
    of rockets flying away—
    rid my small ear canal of them all.

    Spray the perfume of your smiles on the incision.
    Inject the song of life into my veins to wake me up.
    Gently beat the drum so my mind may dance with yours,
    my doctor, day and night.

    Hijinks replied · Jul 19, 2022

    giving @lliyah a mandatory tag because roman numerals :3


    Liminality replied · Jul 22, 2022

    This is an interesting poem! There's a lot of difference in word choices between the first part, and then between the two halves of the second stanza. For instance the final stanza contains a lot of metaphors using "of" (perfume of your smiles, song of life) whereas the first half of the poem only really revolves around one extended metaphor about the ear.

    Thanks for sharing!

    Spoiler
    Also psst, might be good to put a trigger warning for bombs next time c:


  • Liminality replied · Jun 29, 2022

    Really lovely poem! Had me smiling throughout. My favourite lines were: "all the million ways to die still / losing to the single way not" Thanks for sharing, rida!

    (Just a little reminder that the poem has a swear word or two there, so putting a warning for that and enspoilers would be good -- don't worry if you can't edit the post when you see this, just to keep in mind for next time c: )


    rida replied · Jun 29, 2022

    Oops I’m so, so sorry about that! I didn’t notice but I’ll keep that in mind next time! Thank you ^^


    Hijinks replied · Jul 19, 2022

    I love the energy and tone in this poem!! I can tell just from reading it that the author would be such a great person to be friends with. I also really enjoy the fact that the author is looking at life in a positive way without sugar coating it or ignoring the lows - instead, they're encouraging us to embrace it all, the good and the bad. Feels like a more realistic take on positivity/optimism, if that makes sense!


  • alliyah Admin
    My sister recently shared this poem with me "Valentine for Ernest Mann" by Naomi Shihab Nye. source
    Valentine for Ernest Mann by Naomi Shihab Nye
    You can’t order a poem like you order a taco.
    Walk up to the counter, say, “I’ll take two”
    and expect it to be handed back to you
    on a shiny plate.

    Still, I like your spirit.
    Anyone who says, “Here’s my address,
    write me a poem,” deserves something in reply.
    So I’ll tell a secret instead:
    poems hide. In the bottoms of our shoes,
    they are sleeping. They are the shadows
    drifting across our ceilings the moment
    before we wake up. What we have to do
    is live in a way that lets us find them.

    Once I knew a man who gave his wife
    two skunks for a valentine.
    He couldn’t understand why she was crying.
    “I thought they had such beautiful eyes.”
    And he was serious. He was a serious man
    who lived in a serious way. Nothing was ugly
    just because the world said so. He really
    liked those skunks. So, he re-invented them
    as valentines and they became beautiful.
    At least, to him. And the poems that had been hiding
    in the eyes of skunks for centuries
    crawled out and curled up at his feet.

    Maybe if we re-invent whatever our lives give us
    we find poems. Check your garage, the odd sock
    in your drawer, the person you almost like, but not quite.
    And let me know.


    I really enjoy this take on just what poetry "is". This line is probably my favorite from the poem, "What we have to do
    is live in a way that lets us find them."
    ... it's just interesting to consider how someone might live to find more poetry. Also reminds me a little bit of a poem I wrote 2 years ago for NaPo poetry in plain sight which is also about finding poetry in the unexpected but ordinary.

    Have you tried to write a poem about "what" poetry is? It seems like a fairly common poetic topic for a poet to consider and write about. What were your thoughts about the poem? :)

    Liminality replied · Jun 22, 2022

    Okay this is kind of random, but I like how they write "He was a serious man", and the meaning of 'Ernest' is 'serious, earnest', and 'Mann' is just 'man' in German. Not sure if that was the intention, but that's how I read it. I like the line breaks and the voice in the poem, like they're addressing this note to the poem-requester. It's very charming. I also like the word for poems which are about what poetry is -- 'ars poetica'. Thanks for sharing, alliyah! :D


  • Liminality Creator
    Another one from H.D.'s Sea Garden.

    THE GIFT

    Instead of pearls—a wrought clasp—
    a bracelet—will you accept this?

    You know the script—
    you will start, wonder:
    what is left, what phrase
    after last night? This:

    The world is yet unspoiled for you,
    you wait, expectant—
    you are like the children
    who haunt your own steps
    for chance bits—a comb
    that may have slipped,
    a gold tassel, unravelled,
    plucked from your scarf,
    twirled by your slight fingers
    into the street—
    a flower dropped.

    Do not think me unaware,
    I who have snatched at you
    as the street-child clutched
    at the seed-pearls you spilt
    that hot day
    when your necklace snapped.

    Do not dream that I speak
    as one defrauded of delight,
    sick, shaken by each heart-beat
    or paralyzed, stretched at length,
    who gasps:
    these ripe pears
    are bitter to the taste,
    this spiced wine, poison, corrupt.
    I cannot walk—
    who would walk?
    Life is a scavenger's pit—I escape—
    I only, rejecting it,
    lying here on this couch.

    Your garden sloped to the beach,
    myrtle overran the paths,
    honey and amber flecked each leaf,
    the citron-lily head—
    one among many—
    weighed there, over-sweet.

    The myrrh-hyacinth
    spread across low slopes,
    violets streaked black ridges
    through the grass.

    The house, too, was like this,
    over painted, over lovely—
    the world is like this.

    Sleepless nights,
    I remember the initiates,
    their gesture, their calm glance.
    I have heard how in rapt thought,
    in vision, they speak
    with another race,
    more beautiful, more intense than this.
    I could laugh—
    more beautiful, more intense?

    Perhaps that other life
    is contrast always to this.
    I reason:
    I have lived as they
    in their inmost rites—
    they endure the tense nerves
    through the moment of ritual.
    I endure from moment to moment—
    days pass all alike,
    tortured, intense.

    This I forgot last night:
    you must not be blamed,
    it is not your fault;
    as a child, a flower—any flower
    tore my breast—
    meadow-chicory, a common grass-tip,
    a leaf shadow, a flower tint
    unexpected on a winter-branch.

    I reason:
    another life holds what this lacks,
    a sea, unmoving, quiet—
    not forcing our strength
    to rise to it, beat on beat—
    stretch of sand,
    no garden beyond, strangling
    with its myrrh-lilies—
    a hill, not set with black violets
    but stones, stones, bare rocks,
    dwarf-trees, twisted, no beauty
    to distract—to crowd
    madness upon madness.

    Only a still place
    and perhaps some outer horror
    some hideousness to stamp beauty,
    a mark—no changing it now—
    on our hearts.

    I send no string of pearls,
    no bracelet—accept this.


    What sticks out to me about this poem is the desire to escape, and the sense of topsy-turvy-ness. A speaker sick of beauty? It's more likely than you'd think. The speaker finds that the addressee doesn't believe them or take their thoughts as they come. The speaker insists "Do not dream that I speak / as one defrauded of delight,". Their distaste for the worldly beauty is 'real', so to speak/.

    My favourite parts:

    You know the script—
    you will start, wonder:
    what is left, what phrase
    after last night? This:


    Do not think me unaware,
    I who have snatched at you
    as the street-child clutched


    The house, too, was like this,
    over painted, over lovely—
    the world is like this.


    another life holds what this lacks,
    a sea, unmoving, quiet—
    . . .
    but stones, stones, bare rocks,
    dwarf-trees, twisted, no beauty
    to distract—to crowd
    madness upon madness.


    I also really like the repetition of "I reason" and the use of the colon. It's somewhat ironic, but also fitting. In a poem depicting the maddening beauty and irrationality of the outside world, the speaker keeps 'reasoning', trying to separate themself from it.

    Feel free to share your favourite lines, if you had any, in the replies.

    alliyah replied · Jun 20, 2022

    The speaker's tone is very interesting in their intensity / spookiness as you mention almost an irrational madness.

    My favorite lines are probably:

    The world is yet unspoiled for you,
    you wait, expectant—
    you are like the children
    who haunt your own steps
    for chance bits


    A neat contrast / reflection; and it seems children are definitely more apt to search the ground for things that are shiny and beautiful, whether it's a coin or a sea-shell etc. It's sort of tragic that adults don't do that as much.

    Interesting poem! Thanks for sharing!


  • Liminality Creator
    Ira Will Not Be Attending the Meeting
    BY JORDAN DAVIS
    When working on a small scale
    He is practicing a gesture.
    So much of life is practicing gestures.
    So much of living is evaluating
    Those around you for signs of damage.

    Now it is night, morning’s a blink away.
    Sleep is sometimes thought of
    As an avalanche of repair gnomes
    That attends your pit stop.
    Would that we were sleeping now!

    Viable alternatives will be reviled
    Until the point of no return is passed.
    The only reasonable course of action
    Is to look for sizeable flotsam,
    Redo the resume, learn a martial art.


    Source: Poetry (December 2009) via Poetry Foundation

    This one makes me think of offices (I have never worked in an office before) and the way people look through the rearview mirror of someone who never drives out of their home. It makes me think of messages in bottles we can't touch, and how everything, including poetry, reduces to work if you think about it long and hard enough.

  • Liminality Creator
    I had this one saved in my emails since January, and just thought it'd be nice to share. I remember really being able to imagine a mountain and the feeling of breeze rushing against my face when I first read this. I also find its message about the weight of choices really profound.

    Choices
    BY TESS GALLAGHER

    I go to the mountain side
    of the house to cut saplings,
    and clear a view to snow
    on the mountain. But when I look up,
    saw in hand, I see a nest clutched in
    the uppermost branches.
    I don’t cut that one.
    I don’t cut the others either.
    Suddenly, in every tree,
    an unseen nest
    where a mountain
    would be.


    The poet dedicated this poem to someone called Drago Štambuk. The source of the poem is here.

  • Liminality Creator
    Another H.D. poem, this time from her collection Sea Garden, which you can find on Project Gutenberg.

    PURSUIT
    What do I care
    that the stream is trampled,
    the sand on the stream-bank
    still holds the print of your foot:
    the heel is cut deep.
    I see another mark
    on the grass ridge of the bank—
    it points toward the wood-path.
    I have lost the third
    in the packed earth.

    But here
    a wild-hyacinth stalk is snapped:
    the purple buds—half ripe—
    show deep purple
    where your heel pressed.

    A patch of flowering grass,
    low, trailing—
    you brushed this:
    the green stems show yellow-green
    where you lifted—turned the earth-side
    to the light:
    this and a dead leaf-spine,
    split across,
    show where you passed.

    You were swift, swift!
    here the forest ledge slopes—
    rain has furrowed the roots.
    Your hand caught at this;
    the root snapped under your weight.

    I can almost follow the note
    where it touched this slender tree
    and the next answered—
    and the next.

    And you climbed yet further!
    you stopped by the dwarf-cornel—
    whirled on your heels,
    doubled on your track.

    This is clear—
    you fell on the downward slope,
    you dragged a bruised thigh—you limped—
    you clutched this larch.

    Did your head, bent back,
    search further—
    clear through the green leaf-moss
    of the larch branches?

    Did you clutch,
    stammer with short breath and gasp:
    wood-daemons grant life—
    give life—I am almost lost.


    For some wood-daemon
    has lightened your steps.
    I can find no trace of you
    in the larch-cones and the underbrush.


    This poem made me feel the single-minded drive of the speaker to find the person, concept, or whoever they are addressing. I imagined it was a person, at least, who was being chased by some hostile creatures a while back, and now is being tracked by the speaker. It's interesting to me because it's a poem that reads almost like an action scene, but also has a quality of timelessness that I associate with poems. The nature scene feels like it occurs in a capsule and this capsule could be found anywhere. And the strong verbs like "trampled" and the speaker's intense voice from the beginning with "What do I care" also conveys emotions that I think go beyond time and space. c:

  • Liminality Creator
    Sea Rose
    BY H. D.
    Rose, harsh rose,
    marred and with stint of petals,
    meagre flower, thin,
    sparse of leaf,

    more precious
    than a wet rose
    single on a stem—
    you are caught in the drift.

    Stunted, with small leaf,
    you are flung on the sand,
    you are lifted
    in the crisp sand
    that drives in the wind.

    Can the spice-rose
    drip such acrid fragrance
    hardened in a leaf?


    From <https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/48188/sea-rose>

    Even though this poem is about a 'sea rose', I found myself imagining a rose frozen in ice or crystallised on my first reading. The image of the rose being "harsh" and "hardened" really influenced what I had in my mind. I also really like how the first stanza builds up here.

  • Hijinks replied · Jan 30, 2022

    That's a really lovely poem, Lizzy! I think the neutrality of it is maybe what makes it so comforting - it's not trying to make some feel-good, unrealistic claim, it's really just making a statement that's pretty hard to disagree with. The way it's phrased with "of us" at the end of every line makes it feel a bit mantra-like to me, like something you could recite to yourself when you need to feel grounded ^-^ Thank you for sharing!


    Liminality replied · Feb 2, 2022

    Thanks for sharing, Lizzy! I get that chant-like sense as well - it seems like every line begins with an iamb? Somehow iambs tend to feel chant-like to me. I kind of got the sense of well, not defeatism, but something like . . . a declaration of passivity here? I also had to look up the word behooves, and apparently it means suitable, so that's one lesson learnt for Lim today! It's a nice little short poem that works with word play despite not having much imagery.


    alliyah replied · Jun 20, 2022

    Really interesting concept to think on - especially given the attributed author's connection to historical writing (James Truslow Adams was the first writer to popularize the concept of "the American Dream"). I think that this lens could give a more gracious look to viewing history from -> that the people we hold up as heroes are not completely so, and those we would label as villains are not entirely monsters, usually we each have parts of both that must be understood.

    I agree with Seirre & Lim that the poem has a mantra / chant-like quality; I'm curious of it's original context such as if the author considered those lines to be a poem or just a phrase they had came up with. Either way, whatever its original source, I agree to is has poetic elements. To me it reminds me of a theological concept from Martin Luther that we are all "simultaneously sinner and saint" - humbling and freeing at the same time. Thanks for sharing Lizzy!


  • Liminality Creator
    'The mushroom is the elf of plants' is an interesting poem. To me it seems both playful, but with a hint of ambivalence in the last stanza where the mushroom is described as an "outcast" of nature. The version I'm quoting here is the public domain old edition of Emily Dickinson's poems.

    THE MUSHROOM.

    The mushroom is the elf of plants,
    At evening it is not;
    At morning in a truffled hut
    It stops upon a spot

    As if it tarried always;
    And yet its whole career
    Is shorter than a snake's delay,
    And fleeter than a tare.

    'T is vegetation's juggler,
    The germ of alibi;
    Doth like a bubble antedate,
    And like a bubble hie.

    I feel as if the grass were pleased
    To have it intermit;
    The surreptitious scion
    Of summer's circumspect.

    Had nature any outcast face,
    Could she a son contemn,
    Had nature an Iscariot,
    That mushroom, — it is him.

    Source: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/12242/1 ... _of_plants

    There is also a different version that preserves more of Dickinson's original formatting choices I'd encourage you to read on Poetry Foundation here.

    I personally associate this poem more with its playful vibe. The idea of elves and mushrooms to me as a modern reader make me think of fantasy novels and children's books. But the Biblical reference in the last stanza makes me think the intended meaning could have been more serious/ philosophical/ theological (?) than that. The middle stanzas make me think of gardeners, though, and less of the 'fairytale-like' idea of elves and mushroom houses.

    Questions if you want~
    Spoiler
    1. Comparing the Gutenberg edition and the version on Poetry Foundation: do you think the difference of word choice in the last stanza, 'Iscariot' vs 'Apostate', gives each version a different meaning?

    2. The version of Poetry Foundation retains Dickinson's original capitalization habits. What sort of effect do these have on your reading? How does this compare to the Gutenberg version?

    3. What do you think is the speaker's relationship to the mushroom?

  • Liminality Creator
    Today in the Poetry Readers club we discussed @AlyTheBookworm's Reunion, a music-inspired poem that melds together the otherworldly and the familiar.

    I believe there has only ever been one cold, moon-bright night,
    And it knows nothing of time or memory or the featherweight of human years.
    I believe that, beneath its canopy, we gaze at the same black skies,
    That little one- that wild-haired sprite with firefly eyes- and me.

    Who knew we’d be reunited by a full moon, a rain of falling stars,
    And a favorite, tinny recording from the 80s, song of la luna,
    Song of the snow-faced mother cradling gray-eyed son, his body white as ermine,
    Shedding diamond tears from their night-colored eyes,
    The infant’s wailing like sweet music to our ears, so tragically, deliciously alive.

    Chill creeps into our pink faces, turns us porous and timeless and grey as moon-rock,
    As stardust pools in our irises, clinging to our hair, soft as the mother’s whispering hush:
    “Calladito, calladito.”
    Who knew something so soft could sting so sharp?

    The child-sprite is falling up now, into that cold black sky, her dead fingers grasping mine,
    She pulls me after, and together we are wind-tossed, flying air.
    We shed our winter coats and breathe ice,
    Ghostly delight on her smiling face, echoing the thrum of my heart,
    That core of warmth sustained,
    Only by the soaring chords that carry us both atop their crest.

    Moons wane, songs end, and infants grow into men and women,
    Too tall and too heavy to ever again float off the face of the Earth.
    But in her arms I dance and embrace the frozen sky,
    Until the stars set and time resumes,
    Locking her away in fifteen years ago,
    To wait for the return of our cold, moon-bright night.


    We talked about some points brought up by the author herself, @AlyTheBookworm, including who the figures in the poem are and how they are related to one another. Did you notice the four figures? (The speaker, the sprite, the mother and son all factor into the narrative of this fascinating poem!) Besides this, the personifications of the natural world also shine through in the piece and help set the tone and atmosphere.

    @Seirre also pointed out that nearly all the lines in this poem ended with punctuation (i.e. there was little or no enjambment) and this led to a discussion about enjambment vs end-stopped lines. Some thought that enjambment creates a sense of breathlessness or restlessness, for example as we've seen in Mary Oliver's White-Eyes. Meanwhile, the end-stopped lines seem to create a steady rhythm, capturing a moment frozen in time.

    Now that you've made it to the bottom of the post, why not answer @Seirre's personality quiz based on images from the poem?
    Is your aesthetic best described as...
    a)...the featherweight of human years
    b)...wild-haired sprite with firefly eyes
    c)...a favorite, tinny recording from the 80s
    d)...so tragically, deliciously alive
    e) or another image of your choosing from the poem?

    Also feel free to share any thoughts you had in the comments!

  • alliyah Admin
    Was reading some editions of Poetry Magazine and thought this poem was really interesting. It's "line dance for an american textbook" by Keith S. Wilson. link You'll have to click the link to read - but the poem is written sort of in the form of sentence diagramming / note-taking and I've been puzzling through it. Anyone have any thoughts on it?

    Questions if you want em ~
    1. initial impressions?
    2. how did you go about reading this?
    3. any interpretations?
    4. would you ever write a poem in this form? does it add / confuse / distract?

    BluesClues replied · Jan 9, 2022

    Ooh, I like this! I like the way the diagramming/boxes made me start reading repeat "lines" as if there were a chorus, like I kept repeating "my country is almost tougher than I know" (bc that's the order in which I read those words once boxed up) each time I moved on to a new stanza.

    (Basically, I read the entire original stanza and then with each successive stanza I would automatically pick out all the words in all the same-colored boxes and fit them together. Fitting them together got harder as I went on, but maybe that's the point since history is a tangle of forgotten people and stories written by the victors!)

    Definitely a bit confusing, especially as more and more diagramming was added, but I actually really liked it and I think I'm likely to keep returning to it to puzzle it out more.


    Spearmint replied · Jan 10, 2022

    this is so neat! :D It was fun to trace the arrows (it adds some action to the poem), and it seems like a really unique style. I would've liked it if the lines were written out in order at the end, just for clarity, but the arrow form is also wonderful by itself. I kind of want to print it out and just look at it from time to time, like a pocket-sized piece of art. ^-^ Definitely a poem to remember!
    Also, I like Blues's idea that the messier stanzas could represent the tangle of history-- that makes a lot of sense! Thanks so much for sharing, alliyah <3


    rida replied · Jan 10, 2022

    Oohh this is an amazing poem!!!!!
    (Enspoilered is me de-puzzling this poem)

    Spoiler
    my country is almost
    tougher than I know,
    A suspect I see from fear
    From blood- sorrow,
    To the lift (?) of history
    Grandfather, cotton is nothing but a photo


    Liminality replied · Jan 10, 2022

    1. initial impressions?

    It felt a bit like a game. Like a really 'artsy' point-and-click. The themes seemed very recognisable. History, memory (and collective memory), distortion, fear.

    2. how did you go about reading this?

    At first I tried to break the rules, and read things in a slightly different order than the arrows recommended. That was entertaining for a while, then I went back to following the arrows. I find that the arrows layer on top of each other ina really geometric fashion, so my eyes ended up retracing paths I had gone before.

    3. any interpretations?

    The lines read left to right, ignoring the arrows

    Spoiler
    I think the speaker means to express how they cannot fully understand the suffering of their grandparents by looking at a photo? With how "blood is tougher to lift from cotton" compared to the "sorrow" from a "photo". Maybe that it's easy for them to feel sad thinking about that history than it was for the people living through it? Ahh, it seems to me like the sentence comparison should be straightforward because of the comparative being right there but it's not.

    Then there are the words to do with 'not knowing', like "suspect", "know almost nothing" and "fear", as well as syntactically how the last phrase is written in question form - "is this american history" and not "this is american history"


    Following the arrows

    Spoiler

    "my country is almost/
    tougher than I know"

    ^I'm not sure how to go about interpreting 'tough' here. Is it ironic, 'tough' to be an implication of 'cruel'? Or is it 'tough' as in 'tough to live in'. Though the 'almost' carries over that feeling of uncertainty I got from reading left to right.

    "a suspect I see from fear/
    from blood sorrow/
    to the lift of history"

    ^ "blood sorrow" is kind of interesting - it combines a concrete image blood with an abstract one like sorrow - I'm not sure if I should parse it as "from blood" and then "sorrow to the lift of history" or "from blood sorrow/ to the lift of history" hmm . . .

    Random thought: I wonder if "lift" here is just the motion or an actual lift . . . probably the former, since it's American. Though I did imagine a lift/elevator when reading. I think the arrow also goes up from 'the' to 'lift' as well? That was a neat effect.

    "grandfather cotton is nothing but this american photo"
    ^I think this one supports the theory of 'the speaker finds it hard to grapple with this historical event' as saying that "cotton" is a "photo" sort of implies that it doesn't feel 'real' in the same way it would have felt real to their grandfather. It's a 'photograph', a reminder, and maybe the speaker is disturbed by that.




    4. would you ever write a poem in this form? does it add / confuse / distract?

    Me? Probably not. I think it does add layers to this poem's effect, even if the fundamental message didn't change that much for me. The scramble of trying to follow the lines kind of makes you feel what the speaker is feeling trying to come to an understanding of what happened.

    Interesting poem and fun questions! Thanks for sharing :D


    alliyah replied · Jan 31, 2022

    I forgot to reply to this D: but thank you all for engaging with this really interesting poem!

    as Bluesclues said "Fitting them together got harder as I went on, but maybe that's the point since history is a tangle of forgotten people and stories written by the victors" <- I also found the form fairly challenging to get a coherent picture out of, but once I sat back and accepted that was part of the message / process then enjoyed the poem more. I liked reading how everyone deciphered the different directions and tangles.

    @Spearmint and Lim brought up that the poem was almost an art piece - and I really appreciated that blend! I wouldn't necessarily try this form of blending art + grammar + poetry, but I do love when people push those boundaries a whole lot.

    @BluesClues - I liked that you called the repeating stationary parts almost a chorus - it makes me wonder if other poetry concepts that are traditionally understand in one concrete way; could be experienced in different ways in these poetry + art hybrids. ie. could you call two blue words "rhyming" words / or envision "stanzas" as two bird wings rather than two areas of text. ~ it's just interesting to me.

    @Liminality I really liked reading your interpretations and thoughts along the way - and how it's possible to break out of the suggested arrow reading, and read it in different ways too. You maybe know this too - but I thought I'd add for context in America cotton is heavily linked to slavery as when people were brought into the US to be sold into slavery often cotton-picking was the work they were forced to do. It's interesting that just using the single word "cotton" can be this whole abbreviation to that larger theme. I really like that you highlighted the phrase "blood sorrow' there were a lot of word pairings that stood out as interesting to me in the piece, and I love unexpected ones like that especially.

    Glad people enjoyed reading / interpreting!


  • Liminality Creator
    Fog
    BY CARL SANDBURG
    The fog comes
    on little cat feet.

    It sits looking
    over harbor and city
    on silent haunches
    and then moves on.


    Source: Poetry Foundation

    A short one this time, to mix things up! I think what drew me to this poem is the impression I had that this could both be 'realistic', as in the "cat feet" are an image showing how tentatively and lightly the fog is moving, but also you could take a more fantastical route and imagine a big grey cloud with little orange legs. :3

    BluesClues replied · Jan 8, 2022

    Ah I was just thinking about this poem recently bc Matt remembered the first stanza and that was it <3


    Liminality replied · Jan 8, 2022

    Ha that's neat! It certainly is a memorable one :D


    alliyah replied · Jan 10, 2022

    This is such an adorable little poem.


  • Liminality Creator
    This December's Poetry Discussion covered a wintry poem myself and other YWS-ers love: White-Eyes by Mary Oliver.

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    Source and text version here: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poetry ... white-eyes

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    As a group, we found that the fun sound devices like the assonance in where/wind/white and the mix of realistic and fantasy-like imagery stood out the most (especially the words with dashes, like "pine-crown"!). @Spearmint also caught the detail of the interesting diamond-like shape of the stanzas that kind of resemble bird wings.

    The bird in this poem seems to be the focal point of interpretation. @InuYosha spotted that it seems to be "drifting away" from the reader's grasp, becoming more otherworldly as the poem goes on. Could it refer to something spiritual or divine, as @alliyah suggested? Could it depict the majesty of nature, being able to command clouds at will? Either way, the contrasts and connections between the bird's more earthly, coarser images like "shoves and bushes" and the more fantastical ones like "glittering beak" make this a super interesting piece.

    I'm eager to see thoughts on this from anyone in this club and beyond. :D

    Also, just for fun:
    Which funky image from this poem are you?
    1. "wind-bird",
    2. "big, round music",
    3. "glittering beak", or
    4. "some unimaginable bird"

    Hijinks replied · Dec 30, 2021

    One little thing that I find interesting is that, for the most part, you could say the poem is in the third person (as it refers to "he"/the bird), but then a narrator pops in at the start of stanza 6 to interject some first-person narrative. It's kind of jarring, in a way, because I felt like I was observing this winter scene alone at first but then all of the sudden I realized I had company.

    Ooh a pop quiz :3 I think I'm image #1, "wind-bird", because I absolutely adore that super windy, dramatic weather that you get right before a big storm.


    Liminality replied · Jan 7, 2022

    Oh that's a neat observation! Yeah, that's true - the first few stanzas could be read as 'this is a story about a bird', but the addition of an 'I' suggests that it could be a 'poem about a particular person's experience of the bird'. I think I picked 4. "some unimaginable bird" during the discussion, because I just like the cadence of that phrase and I think it fits me xD



Painting is poetry that is seen rather than felt, and poetry is painting that is felt rather than seen.
— Leonardo da Vinci