a poem (warning, this piece has a lot of adult language)

If it were not for a society, and self-imposed 'laws', I could care less and call your piece, poetry. In fact I could call everything poetry, including my shoes. That would render laguage usless, unless I pointed, but then how would blind people know what the hell I'm talking about? I admit some of these laws are selfish, and rather fearful, but by using a well known, well established language, grammar and all, at least someone's gonna understand you, and even more so if you learned or spoke the language of that area you belong to. That was an example, and perchance you were confunded somewhere along the way...Anyway, poetry must have some kind of rule or fashion, which the masses can point out from the many other writing pieces. And to me, and don't point and say 'well obvious you've not been properly exposed to poems', because I deem I have, this does not seem like, fine I'll say it: 'proper poetry', perchance that'll let you see some ray of light between us, some link of understanding(that being, that I have called your piece poetry(even if I doth call it improper) , more than less because you deemeth, and you are older and wiser perchance).

First, less old english. This is the 21st century. Secondly, what is 'proper poetry' exactly anyway?

Gal -- I've defined it. Quit asking, and start explaining why I'm wrong.

True, but you've done a bad job at defining it, and havent said anything that is necesarily true.

I wasn't asking you, Incan, I was asking Erethror. I want his opinion, NOT yours. We've had plenty of it. I can't argue with you and you know it, so quit badgering me. I know what art is because I feel it. And I can and will stand in defense of any artistic venture, because art in all its forms is in my very soul. You simply cannot intellectualize it.

Sorry, but I do wish to take English and Classics in University, so practicing now and on will help, and besides I like it. Now, 'what is proper poetry exactly?', I'm not quite sure! But 'riddle me this'(as my friend says): What is a proper anything? An essay is what it is because we call it that, or rather, an essay is a written piece following some rule. I'm sure poems have them, but like I have been saying, now for the third time, to me this does not seem like a poem rather it seems like an informal statement, or a rantish shout, made to be poem. Whos to say that isn't a poem? All I'm saying is that to me it seems like something else masking itself as a poem, or trying to be a poem, but is quite rough around the edges. SUmmat like that! [/i]

Poetry is what you make of it.

and youve got 4 years before you go to college, and old english is annoying.

The problem with your arguement Ere, is that you want opinion to decide the rule, when that simply won't work.

For instance, the definition of music. Let's say our scenario is me trying to decide what does and doesn't constitute music. If I were allowed to go by my personal opinion then I could announce right now:

LINKIN PARK IS NOT MUSIC. IT IS CRAPPY CRAPPY NOISE FOR JERKS.
Obviously, I'm going to get many angry replies about why I am dead wrong.

That's why the accepted definition of music is "sound organized in time". Therefore, there is no dispute as to what IS music, simply an arguement about what GOOD music is.
Similarily, a poem is defined by Oxford's English Dictionary as "a literary composition that is given intensity by particluar attention to diction (sometimes involving rhyme), rhythm, and imagery."

So we must allow that Qi's work is a poem. We're not debating is classification, merely its worth as a poem.

Power to the people(masses), I'm not gonna argue, I just won't. Imply go ahead, speculate, I don't care: I'm a baby and won't argue, well I won't. I understand my answer was feeble, and did not answer the question as it should have done, but there! And as this is a literary forum, I excert my right to write(in old english)! Besides I'm sure you have written something before your presumable age of 20?


Hwait!(A slighter, unclear, feeble attempt, oh how I contradict myself...)

Oxford: Poesy, archaic for poetry! *ahem* Poetry:1. Metrical compsition, usually concerned with feeling or imaginative description. (there is also 2-3, one of which was given above). Well there it is, a metrical composition, and this doth not seem metrical, I shall remain silent. SHould you choose to ask me why it doth not seem so, then answer it yourselves, I'm sure you all know the answer!

That definition is quite clear above...Hrrmmm, well we live in a free country ._. Freedom of speech and ideass...... .__. Twas good no doubt, in describing your emotions...Not a subject, or at least not a way I am fond of...To see my views on Art, see the discussion thingymaborg thread!

I'm not stupid really....But at times I can be rash. Can we all just be friends? I'm really the likeable kind...Oh pitter patter I am rambling! Don't delete me!

Metrical composition doesn't mean a composition with a beat, that would be lyrics.

I looked up "poem" dear, you looked up "poetry". The definitions are actually different, which strikes me as odd.


I'm not sure what you mean by

Besides I'm sure you have written something before your presumable age of 20?

But Qi, Gal and I have all written things... check our posts and you'll see.

Crysi wrote:GUYS. If you want to debate the true definition of art, PLEASE take it to the debate and serious discussion board. Thank you.

Now, let's please leave this thread for further comments on Qi's poem, shall we?

I still stand by my statement. Please and thank you. *growls*

We are discussing my poem, thank you. Lay off.

Qi right, Crys. We are debating whether or not his piece can be considered poetry.
And I don't understand your concern. No one else is trying to change the topic of the thread. If they want to, they're welcome to. We'll respond.

Qi, I'd watch it if I were you.

A.O. Avalon wrote:We are debating whether or not his piece can be considered poetry.

Exactly, you're DEBATING. Debates belong in the debate forum. Why don't we all just agree that it's poetry and keep comments about the content?