No Point, No Purpose, Just Ideas.

by Talking_Pinata

Published May 9, 2008

All these poets and fiction authors ever write about is love. Poems about love are cliché, but then again, poems about how cliché love is, they’re cliché. Could it be that cliché is all there is?

Let them naval-gaze. They’re feeling something. If you aren’t feeling anything that means you haven’t been in their situation, and for that, rejoice. Rejoice because your life is not cliché, but it is, isn’t it?

Depression, obsession, anxiety and angst, they’re so fresh every time someone feels them! Love, joy, tears, pain, they’re all so real to every person. Although they are new to them, they are not new in the world. They have been felt millions of times before. Let’s rejoice that they can be new for us. If we felt it every time someone had felt depression or joy, it would get old. The colors would turn grey because we would have seen red or blue or purple all too much.

We have been cursed with the burden of being born into the late world. Humans have been around long enough to think up every idea. We, on the other hand, we pick up nasty novels of books, dust them up, and resell them as our own.

Genius is anything new. Cliché isn’t new, but at the same time it is.

Although cliché is saying something has been used too much, couldn’t we be glad it has been? If it hadn’t been felt or used so much, no one at all could relate. We’d have to survive everything on our own.

It’s ridiculous how people think they’re so original. Everyone has a twin, they say. Who are they? I’ve always wondered. I suppose “they” may be scientists, our parents, presidents, or beggars. Most likely scientists. Scientists know everything anyways.

Then again, we have to consider the fact that no one has ever liked everything one person likes. Everyone has a group of interests and feelings that creates them. Someone may have five or six of the same interests, but they’ll never have all of the same. Never. At this we can rejoice and say “I am me.”

Finally, I may be contradicting myself quite a lot, skipping around on subjects and many other things, but a famous author once said (and made a lot of sense) that you should contradict yourself. It sets out as many new (there is new?) idea in the world as possible.

“To be great, is to be misunderstood” –Ralph Waldo Emerson

Stop complaining about the cliché. We should be thankful for the cliché. Stop nagging about an “already used idea”. Let those who take them burn and curdle if that’s how it goes down. Someone feels the same way at that moment. Someone, somewhere, will understand.

Cliché is good but contradiction is better.

I’m rambling, I sound insane. I don’t even know the point I’m trying to make. Oh well. I don’t need a point, I’ve spewed the ideas I’ve wanted to.

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Rei
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Rei commented Comment · May 22, 2008

As Snoink said, you need focus. I'm slightly ADD, and I could not keep my attention on this at all because it's so disjointed. There are lots of interesting ideas, but thye need to be organized.

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Leja wrote a review Review · May 22, 2008

I’m rambling, I sound insane. I don’t even know the point I’m trying to make. Oh well. I don’t need a point, I’ve spewed the ideas I’ve wanted to.


This is true :wink: However, it doesn't have to be! Like Snoink said, this is rather ungrounded. I find that diagrams help a lot with this sort of thing: make a big circle in the middle of the page and write your topic inside it. Then, draw little circles around the bigger one to represent ways you'll prove your topic. The more times you do this, the more specific (and, subsequently, strong) your arguments will become!

Another thing to watch out for is that you don't contradict yourself. For example:

Depression, obsession, anxiety and angst, they’re so fresh every time someone feels them! Love, joy, tears, pain, they’re all so real to every person. Although they are new to them, they are not new in the world. They have been felt millions of times before. Let’s rejoice that they can be new for us. If we felt it every time someone had felt depression or joy, it would get old. The colors would turn grey because we would have seen red or blue or purple all too much.


Here, you talk about how people experience new things, saying that they all have original experiences. But here:

It’s ridiculous how people think they’re so original. Everyone has a twin, they say. Who are they? I’ve always wondered. I suppose “they” may be scientists, our parents, presidents, or beggars. Most likely scientists. Scientists know everything anyways.


you start to say how no one's really wholly original. Watch out for places like these.

Also, if you're trying to prove a point, it is much much more effective if you leave out excuses like "I may be contradicting myself, skipping around on subjects" because that directly says you're unsure about what you've written, and that's a good way to completely devalue what you've already written/established. Have confidence!

Finally, on the subject of cliche as a whole:

Stop complaining about the cliché. We should be thankful for the cliché. Stop nagging about an “already used idea”. Let those who take them burn and curdle if that’s how it goes down. Someone feels the same way at that moment. Someone, somewhere, will understand.


The problem isn't in that something's an "already used idea". The problem lies in a previous representation of an idea. If I were to say "Friendship is like spaghetti and meatballs" (ignoring the fact that that makes little sense), and the next person were to say "You and your friend are like spaghetti and meatballs", nothing's been accomplished. It's the same thing, just repeated. No one experiences the same thing exactly the same way. If a man were to say to his wife "My love for you is as deep as the sea" is he just saying this because he has always heard large amounts compared to the ocean depth? or because he has taken the time to think of things to compare his love to? This is where cliche really is from, when something is automatic, that it doesn't really mean much anymore.

Hope this helped some!

oneeyedunicornhunter wrote a review Review · May 22, 2008

Interesting thoughts, and I agree for the most part. People write what they know, the new things they experience and ideas they think are all their own. To some people, just about everything is cliche.

Hence my signature! :lol:

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Snoink wrote a review Review · May 17, 2008

Er... spew is a good word for this. You really need to focus your writing. Exactly what do you want to say? After figuring that out, say it. And that's harder than it seems. I know I always struggle with topic sentences and working on what the overall point is, but if it's done, the whole writing seems more fluid and persuasive, which is what you want. Rants are not powerful, they do not stick with you. Solid arguments are powerful. Some arguments even change our lives. So, if you really want to make a point, PROVE IT using solid evidence. This is not solid--it is quick sand.

Also, you will want to define your terms. You are using the word "cliche" as synonymous as "unoriginal" when that's not a true definition. Get technical, define your terms for your audience, and this argument will make more sense.

Good luck with this!

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.:Echelon:. commented Comment · May 17, 2008

ohhhhhhhhhhhh wow this is coolio

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Aedomir wrote a review Review · May 13, 2008

Hey!

I don't really know what it is, but interesting nevertheless.

Genius is anything new. Cliché isn’t new, but at the same time it is.

Oh the irony :wink: seriously though, nice line!

I’m rambling, I sound insane.

Semicolon perhaps rather?

Scientists know everything anyways.

Good line :-)

That was very strange! I reckon you should submit this to Squills, I find it very fun to read, and it relates very well with the idea of cliche. I think we all hate cliche don't we? Great advice underlying here, great job!

-Mark

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Talking_Pinata commented Comment · May 13, 2008

Glad you like it. I'm even more glad that it made you think!

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nilou-and-amani commented Comment · May 10, 2008

It's confusing, but it made me think. It's pretty good.

Banango Cheesecake commented Comment · May 10, 2008

I liked it. It's sort of cool, and it kind of makes sense, even though it contradicts itself.

I found nothing that needs improvement. Amazing job! ^^



What really knocks me out is a book that, when you're all done reading it, you wish the author that wrote it was a terrific friend of yours and you could call him up on the phone whenever you felt like it. That doesn't happen much, though.
— J.D. Salinger, The Catcher in the Rye