DoaV (1st version) : Chapter Two

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Hey...

Sorry, I seriously haven't had time for a good edit recently, but one thing I did notice was that in "Derrin’s next sweeping blow, sent Sillon’s sword flying." you don't need the comma.

Other than that...good!

I promise I'll give you a good critique sometime soon--when I have time! lol..

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Haha! I am here second. *feels triumphant*

Compared to Derrin’s devastating, yet graceful strength, Sillon was hopelessly doomed when it came to combat.


I;m not sure about the comma after 'devastating'. Also, ''hopelessly doomed' sounds kind of weird. Maybe you should just say 'hopeless' instead?

Derrin’s next sweeping blow, sent Sillon’s sword flying.


No comma necessary. :)

The older acolytes shoulders slumped in defeat even before the weapon hit the ground with a clang.


I think there should be an apostrophe in 'acolytes' since it's possessive.

“You’ve beat me again, Derrin,” he acknowledge, a rueful smile on his face.


There should be a D at the end of 'acknowledge'. :wink:

Derrin dsicreetly peek over at his companion.


1. 'peek' should be 'peeked'.
2. It might flow better as: Derrin peeked discreetly over at his companion.

“My gift sows me what is, and so I know that ultimately these small favors will not change the great design.”


I;m not completely sure, but I think 'sows' is meant to be 'shows'?

Derrin nodded, as always respecting Sillon’s wisdom.


This sounds kind of stiff. You might want to try: Derrin nodded, respecting Sillon's wisdom as he always did.

The gift foresight was one that often found it’s way to those who turned their auras to holy purposes.


Maybe you should put 'of' after 'The'...?

But the gift of sight—seeing the present—was a rare gift indeed.


I don't like the repetition of 'gift'. Maybe you could try using one of it's synonyms, such as legacy, talent, skill etc.

Sillon watched him for a moment, ten discreetly, struggled into is own saddle.


This phrase should be: Sillon watched him for a moment, then discreetly struggled into his own saddle.

S they rode out, Derrin looked back to take in the view.


'S they rode'? Typo? :wink:

Craved out of the very stone of the mountain, the Holy Sanctuary of Oun was home to all those who wished to truly understood that the mastery of one’s aura was an art that required dedication and precision.


'Craved' should be 'Carved', methinks.

Some did to stay for long, only coming to learn to master their auras.


You might want to double-check this sentence... 'some did to stay for long'?

The religious foundation of the art was one that was looked upon with skepticism, many believed that there was nothing holy about master one’s aura and that the church had simply monopolized all those with the knowledge to teach the art to others.


I think the comma after 'skepticism' should be a semicolon.

There was no wall around the outer sanctum, as the elegant stone structures gave way to mountainside, they began their descent, quickly being swallowed up by tall pines.


I think the comma after 'mountainside' should be a period.

Oun Mountain was known for its pines, few other trees could survive in the cold.


I'm not sure, but maybe the comma should be a semicolon?

If you could not master your aura enough to keep yourself warm, you much less likely to appreciate the trip.


There should probably be a 'were' after 'you'. :wink:

P1 Question: I sort of lob you with a load of information here, does anyone feel it would be better if I revealed it more slowly? Or maybe open with...omg! Yes! Who thinks it would be better if we get to follow the messenger up the mountain as he contemplates his destination?


I think it would be better to follow the messenger. :)

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Overall, this is really good! You have a talent for characterization, I must say.

As only part One is up so far, I will wait until the chapter is complete to give you general comments and advice. This crit is just nit-picky stuff. :P

Good luck and good work!

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Hey there Valor. Do take note that I know that there are chapters before this and a prologue, I am only critiquing this solely on this chapter.

Their master watched the battle from to balcony above, shaking his head in dismay.


Their master watched the battle from the balcony above, shaking his head in dismay.

Derrin’s next sweeping blow, sent Sillon’s sword flying.


You do not need the comma here.

“Derring and Sillon are two of the most talented acolytes in this sanctuary,” he said. The man standing just behind him nodded.


What a surprise -.-

----------- Ok. Paragraph summary: Already I think this is a tad cliche. The master standing at the top of a balcony and the two characters that you are focusing on at the moment having to be the best of the warriors. This already reminds me of those Saturday/Sunday morning cartoons. There's better be a darn good reason as to why they are the best.

Derrin dsicreetly peek over at his companion.


Discreetly.

Sillon was quiet, but when he noticed Derrin’s curious gaze he smiled.
“I don’t begrudge you this honour, Derrin,” he said calmly. “My gift sows me what is, and so I know that ultimately these small favors will not change the great design.”

Derrin nodded, as always respecting Sillon’s wisdom. The gift foresight was one that often found it’s way to those who turned their auras to holy purposes. They worked for the future, and so the future granted them glimpses of itself. But the gift of sight—seeing the present—was a rare gift indeed.


This is almost borderline cliche. The silent one being the smart one? It's been done heaps.

“Thank you, my friend,” Derrin said, mounting the grey mare that had been prepared for him. Sillon watched him for a moment, ten discreetly, struggled into is own saddle.


"Then discreetly".

Derrin hid his grin under his hand—Sillon had an innate talent with the manipulation of his aura, but it seemed to have come at the cost of is physical coordination.


"Its physical coordination."

He was dressed, like Sillon, in a silken white robe that bore the symbol of the sanctuary upon it’s front.


Omit the comma after "dressed".

This robe showed that he was a man of great power, who had perfected the art of turning his will to spells.


Your characters are ridiculously powerful.

Derrin, however, wore pants and a white tabard bearing the same symbol—this represented that he specialized in the fighting arts, though it was no secret his aura was he strongest of his generation.


"the strongest". And yet, another character that has mastery of his specialized field...

S they rode out, Derrin looked back to take in the view.


What is the "s" doing there?

Overall impressions:

I'll make this brief, since this is only the first part of the chapter. The biggest beefs that I have with this piece is three things: 1. The cliches 2. Lack of character development 3. Lack of imagery/descriptions

Even from the very beginning, the piece read as a cliche. The master standing on a balcony, watching a duel between two warriors. I've seen many scenes where the master is standing from some place high, watching a duel between two figthers. Most of the time, the fighters were highly skilled, or just beginners. In this piece, this pretty much follows the same tradition. I also dislike as to why each of the newly shown characters must be so "perfect" or "masterful" in their specialized area. You BETTER have a darn good reason as to why this is so. Even if you do, I really couldn't care less about the characters, for they don't need my sympathy or attention as to what conflicts they will encounter.

This leads to my second point: Character development. I disagree with Ayra, this piece had little character development. So far, I can't really feel anything for your characters. They are just typical fantasy heroes, nothing else. You try to relate your characters to an aspect or idea, but it read more like an info dump, for you've basically delayed the pace of the plot just to shove some info in the reader's face.

Thirdly, you really need to use more imagery. It was rather hard to picture what's happening, and I really didn't felt immersed with your fantasy world. It was bland, period. You tried to describe the sanctuary, but you focused more on the darn corridors, leaving the actual imagery sanctuary in the dust, and using words like "majestic" and "glory" as substitutes. Do I really need to care about the corridors of the sanctuary and all the other technical aspects? I want to know what the sanctuary looks and feels like. Show me that.

When you post the other parts up, I'll start going into more specific detail in my critiques. This will suffice for now. Consider this a heads up critique. If I have time, I'll critique the prologue.

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Thanks guys! I appreciate your critiques.

Woz-Take your time. I know that writing a detailed critique can take time. Thanks for just reading and letting me know you liked it. :D

Jabber- Yes. The messenger. That actually gives me a huge opportunity to get in some nice stylized descriptions and explain the history more slowly.

Andy- Woo. You really started in the wrong chapter. >.< Though chapter two can be read independent of the other two that precede it because it's all new characters. =P None the less, you're 100% right about the things you mentioned. Sadly, it's hard to avoid the characters being a bit cliche when they are coming out of a religiously monitored learning environment. They are all expected to be all noble and righteous and such. Though the opening scene was rather cliche, I only figured out how to better open the chapter when I was done. =P As for the reason they are the best... well it would be because the king wants to best help he can get. Though Master Duncan isn't the best, I should make that clearer. Also, I should make it clear that they are both rather amateur in their abilities, though they have the most potential.

Sorry if chapter two is a bit dull, I'm having a tab bit of trouble feeling out our antagonists. They all have saving graces, but they don't appear right away. I shall be thinking on making them more interesting.

Thanks for reading!

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Oh man...

Other people got here before me, so I guess it's pretty much useless to write a crit that's exactly like two others, eh?

Well, when part two comes out, if it's okay with you, I'll put it on my computer and edit it there, so that I'll have more time than doing it online.

I won't like plagiarize it or something. XD

I guess you did already post the prologue on to advanced critiques, so I may have that on my computer anyways.

So is it okay if I do that??

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It's fine. That's what people do. Sides, I will be (lol, I should do that soon, since it's on the internet) be taking precautions to protect my copyright--since I have every intention of publishing this. :D

But yes, do that. I know some people actually print it out, write comments on paper, and then type up their comments when they're done.
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Here I am! So I don't forget, I'm totally gonna crit right here on the comp. That way I won't get in trouble for posting so late. :D

The Sanctuary of Oun, home of the Masters, had been carved from stone of the mountain.


Found my first point! :lol: This needs to be rewritten. The last part is a bit clunky. The Sanctuary of Oun, home of the Masters, had been carved from the stone within/from the mountain. I'm really unsure how to reword this. :? but it needs it. ^^

It rested atop a plateau halfway up the mountain, the spire of the holy tower around which it was built reaching up to the unfettered sky.


This part's also clunky. Probably because you have spire a few words from around. A spire is...the roof, I guess. It doesn't go around the tower, unless I'm mistaken.

Inlaid upon the smooth stone tower were silver writings that were said to reflect the sun’s light during the holy hour and enlighten all who could look upon them and understand their wisdom.


Took me a moment, but I think I know how to fix it. Inlaid upon the smooth stone tower were silver writings. It was said that they would reflect the sun's light during the Holy Hour, enlightening all who could look upon them and understand their wisdom. Something like that may work better. Two sentences, to sum up this comment. :lol:

It was said that [s]none who were[/s] those unworthy to read the writings would only see this spectacular display after their deaths—for during their life, they were so devout, they would [s]prayed[/s] pray through the whole hour…[comma instead?] never once thinking to easily find enlightenment [s]that could be[/s] [?] earned through meditation.


The last part was a bit awkward. :?

[s]Gean[/s] Gaen [correct?] chuckled at the irony, [period, dash, colon, semi...]
the High Masters were surely an interesting bunch. [comma instead] Not that he had ever met any— [period instead] it was only now that he carried an important message on behalf of the [s]Kind[/s] King himself [s]did he find[/s] and found himself honored with the chance to enter the Inner Sanctum.


The Masters of Oun thought very highly of themselves.


[s]Gaen’s[/s] Gaen continued to chuckle at these thoughts, not minding that the thick pines for which Oun Mountain was well known for seemed to absorb the sound and give back only silence.


It was a calm fall morning, though up on the mountain, it was constantly winter.


[s]Luckily[/s] Fortunately, Gean had a liking for cool weather.


Don't much like luckily unless I have a dire need for the word, and I mean dire. :lol:

Gaen’s horse began to prance, suddenly agitated.


Gaen's horse whinnied and fidgeted uneasily. Maybe? Prance seems too happy of a term to use in this instance, hehe.

“Now see here Percy, there’s nothing to be getting all agitated about,” he said sternly.


Used that about a sentence ago. Use something else. :wink:

“There’s no way that bear is going to show up on this mountain.”


Now why would he think the bear would be around? :?

But Percy ignored his master, stopping dead in his tracks. [comma instead] Though not quite as dead as [s]Gean[/s] Gaen [right?] was a moment later when he fell from the saddle—a knife through his heart.


...though not quite as dead as Gaen when he fell from his saddle, a knife piercing his heart.

After all, the young woman with the stunning green eyes had paid the assassin handsomely to get the job done right.


Goosebumps! Yay! Bravo!!

On a different part of the mountain, some hours later, a grizzly man by the name of Leonald trudged tirelessly through the snows of Oun, [period instead] His grim expression would have been attributed to two reasons— [comma instead] both of which had to do with him marching through the snow rather than [s]take[/s] taking the direct trail to the sanctuary.


Perhaps the least relevant of these was his destination— [comma instead] or rather the people he would meet there.


...but in their neighboring country, Sequesh, those who mastered [s]their[/s] it [?] did not conceal [s]this[/s] their true nature—there, they only answered to the name ‘Holy’.


The last part was a bit confusing, so I'm trying to make it a bit clearer. I don't know if I'm succeeding, lol.

[s]Leonald[/s] He knew that within the sanctuary, the Masters were known as Priests, and their students as acolytes.


...and though the snow only reached [s]half-way[/s] halfway up to his ankle, it was hard work.


Only the [s]important[/s] importance of the message he carried kept him from cursing.


His message was the second reason, though it was not the message itself that made him so him.


Him so him? Blugh, best change that.

Over the last seven months, the creature known as the Demon Bear had been wreaking havoc, leaving nine town massacred.


. It was no surprise to anyone the king would call for a priest, many only wondered at why he’d waited so long.


Didn't you capitalize that earlier? Decide if you want it capitalized or not.

A military man, he saw in the bear’s behavior some glimmer of higher intelligence— [comma instead] intelligence he wansn’t going to let stop him from getting rid of the beast.


Not knowing where the bear went after [s]it’s[/s] its attacks, or even if the beast was a bear, the General had enlisted [s]Leonard[/s] Leonald to take an [s]un-traveled[/s] untraveled route to the Sanctuary, fearing that Gaen might fall prey to the bear if [s]indeed[/s] it was indeed intelligent enough to know to watch for a messenger.


The very thought that this creature might have such a high intellect was a thought that weighed on Leonard like a cloak of lead.


Can you cloak something in lead? Maybe a hunk of lead or the weight of lead...?

Sadly, [s]Leonalf[/s] Leonald had a rare gift—the same gift that had helped him to becoming a Lieutenant—and his gift told him that general Jeren was a man who was rarely wrong.


[s]Lornald[/s] Leonald could only hope his brother, Sillon, currently an acolyte of the Sanctuary, would know of the message he bore—Leonald was not so reckless that he would assume he was safe from danger.


I just now caught that there were some typos with the name Leonald, which I think it is. I caught Gaen typos earlier. I'm not entirely sure which spelling you want for each of those names, so best just look over that.

Overall, I think this was much improved. I enjoyed this very much. It seemed to have been typed in a few minutes, considering all that I've found, but it could just be because I was nit-picky tonight. :lol:

I pointed everything I needed to point out above. Hope this help, and keep writing!

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Jabber- Yes. The messenger. That actually gives me a huge opportunity to get in some nice stylized descriptions and explain the history more slowly.


As much as I agree with her, I think you meant Ayra. I'll forgive you this one time. :wink:

But yes, do that. I know some people actually print it out, write comments on paper, and then type up their comments when they're done.


I swear I tear them up and throw them away after I type them up. :lol:
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lol. No, I did intend the stylized description comment for you. ^_^ It was more of a 'this is what I'm going to do' as opposed to a direct response to your comments. lol. I trust you not to steal my story. ^_^

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Here's an edit:

"Not that he had ever met any—it was only now that he carried an important message on behalf of the Kind I believe you mean "King"?? himself did he find himself honored with the chance to enter the Inner Sanctum."

One thing I noticed also was that here you capitalize "King" (if that is, indeed, what you meant), but when Leonald is thinking about it you don't cap it. Change one of these.

I liked the way that this was written, much, much, much better than the original. I don't quite get how this is related to Yazra, but I'm 99% sure I'll find out. ;-P I do like the Yazra parts better, but it's still good. And you have to talk about the antagonists at some point. It's kind of funny how your antagonists are actually "good guys", but for that matter, the MC in my story is a criminal too... I like writing about "bad guys", especially if they're a bad guy that you can like, not some idiot killer who doesn't care about anyone except himself.

Also a few edits in this paragraph:

"Sadly, Leonalf "d" here, not f! had a rare gift—the same gift that had helped hiYou need an "m" here. to becoming a Lieutenant—and his gift told him that general If you're capitalizing the "L" in lieutenant, capitalize the "g" in general too. Jeren was a man who was rarely wrong. LorE here, not r!!!!!nald could only hope his brother Sillon, currently an acolyte of the Sanctuary, would know of the message he bore—Leonald was not so reckless that he would assume he was safe from danger."

Other than some grammar mistakes (I noticed a few others, but I think people before me took care of those) this is good.

Keep writing! And still keep me on your PM list--I haven't lost interest yet! Lol! (I don't think that I will, the only reason I would take a while to post is if I don't have time, but I usually read even if I don't post.)

I want to say that this is one of my favorite stories on the website (in the top three), so you could say that I'm a fan. I like it better than some boring published stories I've read...so there's a hit for you! If you keep writing this way, this story could probably be published.... I hope!!

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Thanks Woz! I do hope I get to publish this sometime. I've hit a bit of a block, because much like you I don't care much for the antagonists side of the story, thus I am a bit bored by the idea that I need to actually figure out when they do what (and not just the main antagonists, the General and the King too =_=) so that I can keep the plot logical and constant.

I am going to try and make the antagonists interesting, but I make no promises--they have to compete with a super cool protagonist.

lol. Yes, I thought it was funny that the antagonists are the 'good guys' too. I love that about story logic. The protagonist can be the most evil scum of the world and still be the protagonist. =P

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Okay. So, though I know I went and threatened to start the whole story over in a new setting... I am over it. I've decided that I don't need to go and make up my own political system to make the story work, I just need to spend a little bit more time on the antagonists.

Which works out, because DoaV is going to have a sequel, and in that one the antags will be very active. Luckily, I am working on making them likeable.

Until then, I have separated my files into two folders: Yazra chapters, and Antagonist Chapters. This way, if I don't feel like dealing with the Antagonists, I can write about Yazra, but still keep track of what they should have been doing during the chapter. ^_^

Final message: I am skipping to chapter three for now, since my antagonists need a bit more fleshing out. I'll PM you all when I come back to this chapter. Thanks for reading so far!
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