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Brisingr (Eragon 3) Spoiler



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Sun Oct 05, 2008 5:35 pm
Lord Anzius says...



Yeah writing a book is easy.. but making the book a bestseller is a bit harder.

He got the young reading again. That is a great thing.

And I acctually think that even if someone takes ideas from another writer it is not bad, that is what literature is, that is how literature evolves.
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Sun Oct 05, 2008 7:20 pm
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He got the young reading again. That is a great thing.

I would put that down to Miss Rowling :wink: And she did it unintentionally.

And I acctually think that even if someone takes ideas from another writer it is not bad, that is what literature is, that is how literature evolves.

Taking ideas is plagiarism. Taking ideas and using them to inspire your own work is not.

Paolini strays towards the former.

Tolkien merely just took some of the elf believes, merged a few of them and put in a few of his own ideas.... the elves were not his invention... technically.

Elves before Tolkien were little people who helped Santa at Christmas (in many works) however Tolkien merged them into Norse mythology.

Paolini merged that into Eragon. They came from the sea. They are tall, they have pointy ears, they are accomplished archers, they are good magicians.

I think we should leave this to the debating area now :wink:
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Sun Oct 05, 2008 11:28 pm
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actually Tolkien's dwarfs and Elves are pretty much the same to Eragon's. So i still think its a 'idea taking' event.
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Mon Oct 06, 2008 4:33 am
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Elves before Tolkien were little people who helped Santa at Christmas (in many works) however Tolkien merged them into Norse mythology.


I just want to say one last thing....


The idea that elves were small little santas helpers is a quite new one..... Here in finland elves were called spirits of the woods in the 1200 or so and before it. Even the goblins were a finish legend... so how did Tolkien know of them?


He came to Finland.
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Mon Oct 06, 2008 11:36 am
Firestalker says...



Have any of you researched on elves before??

If any of you have then what Lord Anzius said would not surprise you and you Lord Anzius would not have post about it. Of course elves are called and believed in many different ways.

For example.

Elves = mostly elves like Tolkien's work and Poalini's, without the extra strength and extreme magic etc.

Elfs = The small elves who are like you said fairies leprechauns etc.

here's the link check it out. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elves

And yes i didn't know about elves a lot until i read this.
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Mon Oct 06, 2008 6:16 pm
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Lol, that makes sense :)
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Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:14 am
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Of course it does. Would i post it here is it didn't make sense?? :roll: :roll: :wink: :wink: :) :)
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Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:35 am
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This thing is no more even worth debating for. We have debated it till the end.
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Sun Oct 12, 2008 9:55 am
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And why is that?
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Sun Oct 12, 2008 10:57 am
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This is a debating topic, but it's becoming one. Perhaps we should start a debate in the appropriate forum?
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Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:31 pm
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I see nothing to debate about anymore.... unless we start debating about has the debate ended. :lol:
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Sun Oct 12, 2008 12:58 pm
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I object!
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 4:11 pm
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I rest my case. :roll:
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:08 pm
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Yes, people will believe what they believe. Both sides put up strong cases, but the world will not end if nobody wins. If you believe that Paolini is the worst writer ever, that's okay. If you believe that he's a great writer, that's okay too. Nobody is going to kill you because of either belief. (at least not that I know of :wink: )

It's time to shut down this debate.
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Mon Oct 13, 2008 7:16 pm
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I don't believe he is the worst writer ever. Sure, I disagree with his word choices and generally everything else, but hey! May I direct you to:

http://www.amazon.com/Shadow-God-Aaron-Rayburn/dp/1418499757

This is getting very off-topic.
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