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Fri Mar 20, 2015 5:56 pm
BrumalHunter says...



I am aware, I just want to know, since I worked on levelling up and move tutors only. TM brings in many more possibilities.
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:08 pm
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Alright @Buggiedude2340, @Robusto, @15253, @AstralHunter, and @Tortwag, looks like we've got some confusion about the rankings. Let me delve in. (But before I do, let me just say thanks @TheSilverFox for sending these lovely SBers to my door for this whole thing. You're a real pal. :) )

Let's begin with Flurry. It doesn't come as a surprise that Flurry is at the bottom due to her utter inability to battle AT PRESENT. As I expressed to Buggie, creating hills of snow will not win a battle, though it is very cool. (Pun intended.)

Next was Zulu. Zulu got put second last because he is more powerful than Flurry, but lacks confidence in his abilities and tends to shy away from battles. He also lacks control of his attacks on occasion. Once he learns to hone his skill, his rank will likely be improved.

Then there was Gabriel vs. Riley. Let me tell you, Hunter, this was a fun discussion. Let's begin with why they both ranked higher than Zulu. These two have extreme efficiency in close combat, and they know how to fight, despite not being very powerful. Zulu is powerful, but doesn't necessarily know how to fight effectively. That's why they were higher than him. In comparison to each other, since they are both Riolu with the same moveset and minor differences, we decided to make a decision based on the qualities unique to them. These were Gabriel's aura-reading abilities and Riley's Foresight mastery. We concluded that in a battle where both parties were not provoked and battling on a completely sound mind, (AKA no Gabe influence or otherwise,) Riley would probably win out of ten times, six. It's VERY close between them, but Foresight bumped him up juuuuust a little. These two will likely be next to each other all the way to the end of the SB.

Next was Ren. Ren is easily stronger than both Riley and Gabriel without explanation. He could have easily placed anywhere in the top three, but we put him at third due to the fact that as he reaches deeper into his memories, he is becoming more enraged and... "independent", we'll call it. He does not fight with a sound mind, at present, and could likely thus be outwitted by both the creative Twinkiel, and the experienced Aegeas.

And then there was Aegeas vs. Twinkiel, and naturally, I had the final decision on this one (as Silver did not deny having bias towards his character). Let's begin by saying we did not count type advantage for anything. Just strength and skill. We ran through it a whole bunch of times, and Silver concluded that no matter what, each 'Mon could match the other move for move in any circumstance, to which I concurred. This led me to believe that the battle would not be about who was stronger than their opponent, but who could last longer. Even if Aegeas Dewott is still relatively young, Twinkiel would still win, as he has a defence boosting move that is so powerful, it has acted to shield extrememly powerful attacks that could cause one-hit KO attacks before in this SB. And yes, Tort, Twinkiel can throw up the Cotton Guard fast, as we've seen previously in this SB. Aegeas has no defence boosts, and from previous posts we can see that his energy depletes fast. Therefore, I placed Twinkiel above Aegeas due to the fact that Aegeas would collapse from exhaustion before Twinkiel.

The winner is Twinkiel Thunderfleece.
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:09 pm
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I suggested that to be edited in the most recent post you've done. And that's not how I suggested it: I said that since Frost is a Victini (AKA can learn TMs fast), he could ask a random Ghost to show him how to use Shadow Ball and learn it quickly.

That aside, now we're getting some caps lock.
Um, @Verser? How many SBs have you done so far, counting this one?
You know, I once had a character called Evoltrick when I participated in @Lumi's Fifth Academy for Heroes in Training. He was very similar to Twinkiel, but his powers were radically different. He was dangerous, but original, and not that OP. Everything was doing well at first, I was even praised a few times because I managed to do a pretty good job overall.
And then, one of my few SB phobias happened: 2 members of the DT (including Lumi himself, which freaked me out) told me that Evoltrick was starting to get too OP and that it needed to be delt with.
I was really frightened, as it meant that I had to listen CLOSELY in order to not get myself kicked out (as another member before had been), and it felt like that I had screwed up at some point. Hadn't Lumi made a clear, firm explanation of what he meant, I would've also felt like he was, y'know, "riled up". But considering how nice and thoughtful he had been throughout the whole thing, I chose to believe that I had screwed up somewhere.

Now, the reason why I'm telling you all this is because if I had acted in the way you're acting here, including the caps lock rushed idea part, me being kicked out would've probably happened. Not because they were tyrannical, but because it would've been seen as me being too stubborn.
In any case, I managed to negotiate, followed the power-down instructions that were given to me and promised myself to apply what I had learned after the SBs weekend posts.
Well, ultimate frustration: the SB stopped. Whoop dee freakin' doo.
Basically Twinkiel here is a revival of Evoltrick, my personal second chance. I want to prove that I've learned and that I can be creative, audacious, but not too op with the way I handle mt character.

Dude. We're your COMRADES. It doesn't necessarily mean that we're BFFs, or anything, just that we're doin' all this complicated stuff together. Don't expect it to be a straight line, we're gonna stress just as much as our characters.
This filler thing was THE ONE post that truly bothered us. 3 people in this SB told you that you had made a few mistakes in your latest post, one of which had previously defended you. Think about it. "Grin and bear it". Consider re-reading your posts and fix your eventual mistakes. I did it. I've seen people do it. You've provided good explanations and none of your ideas are bad or anything. So what's wrong in discussing? We'll only get better. You're not the only one here who'll make mistakes anyway, so let's just keep on goin'.

*sigh* Not a Martin Luther King speech, but that'll do. Now. Where's my McDonald.
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:18 pm
Charizard821 says...



@AstralHunter, the referee was Arthur, as Robocop's post revolved around it (or so he said). We also discussed it beforehand and he thought it was a great idea. Can't go against da boss! XD

Also, thank you for the info Hunter and @Buggiedude2340. The post is coming along nicely. Algol is... not what you'd expect him to be, to say the least.

And yes, Hunter, a certain water type I know of can use the move Thunderbolt by TM teaching. Why don't you tell them about my Lapras, Buggie?
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 6:43 pm
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Well, @Tortwag, a little feel-good moment for you, here, but your revival of Evoltrik has certainly been a successful one. I literally spent a half hour last night just plotting a filler conversation between Twinkiel and Riley. These guys are funny, let me tell you. Your character has to be the most unique character I think I've ever read about (I don't read much sadistic material). And while you write a pretty disturbing torture scene, (poor Latias,) I enjoy reading about that Flaafy every time you post. You made a good choice bringing Evoltrik to "da wrld of POKEMANS", as @15253 so elegantly referred to it. Keep up the great work.

@Verser, This may feel like you're being attacked. Trust me, we know. I already described how my morals were questioned in months previous. But really, we are all here trying to keep this storybook intact. I'd like to think of the majority of us as friends, though I've become closer with a few of you than others (@Buggiedude2340 and @AstralHunter, naturally, as we collaborate so closely, @15253 for sharing a lot of similar interests and @TheSilverFox for constantly having an enjoyable and interesting conversation). Now, you don't have to be friends with all of us, @Tortwag is right, but we're all Partners in Time here. (Oops, partners in crime. My bad. ;) ) We don't want this turning into a battle royale. Save that for Super Smash Bros. We just want to keep the SB logical. Can you help us do that, please?





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Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:01 pm
Poopsie says...



@Tortwag, you contradicted yourself half way through your post. If you want us to just keep going leave the petty irrelevant mistake I made to me and continue with the story. Its the world of pokemon, where anything can happen, who cares if frost suddenly learns a new power? We don't have to strictly go by the rules of pokemon, fantasy is fantasy is fantasy. You let me elaborate on my moves and i'll let you shoot discharge through the ground and call it Electric Terrain. And @Charizard821, its not the sudden attacks that are irritating me, its the fact that its over something sooooo smaaaalll.

Like @Tortwag said, lets all move on please
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:04 pm
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@Charizard821 (...Altering my catchphrase... *grumpy mumbles*)
Pff. Is that it? My Fire Red Lapras had THUNDER. Lorelai suffered many times because of it XD

That aside... Heh. Thanks. I did feel like I was doin' a much better job with Twinkiel (I constantly compare my Evoltrick posts to my Twinkiel ones to be sure), but it is satisfying to hear from others that I'm... Y'know, getting better. The only thing I brought from Evoltrick is the persona, though. And even that is evolving differently.
(Yeah, I'm honored to hear that, but you're saying that 'cause you indeed don't read much sadistic material. I assure you that I've read much, MUCH WORSE that what I did. Most recently with a psycho illusionist who goes by the name Albert Garrick.)
Oh I won't let you down! This SB is full of great characters anyway, so I'mma keep going :D

No, we're partners in c... DARN. Beat me to it.
...Who's Algol? Is this a reference to the story you had talked about? Y'know, with the guy and his split-personality brain.
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:16 pm
TinkerTwaggy says...



I am double-posting for the sake of continuing the conversation.

@Verser ...You were supposed to get all emotional with an epic classical music in the background.
Jokes aside, No. I don't think I contredicted myself, and if I did show me the exact quotation. (I'mma re-check anyway, but still).
" leave the petty irrelevant mistake I made to me and continue with the story." <--- I said that we wouldn't advance in a straight line. Those "petty and irrelevant mistakes" are part of the obstacles. Also, we can't do that. You know why? Because we're a group, and we have to advance as such. If we all left our mistakes to ourselves, what would be the purpose of both the DT and the SB?
On a side yet important note, you didn't answer Astral's DT post. Don't focus on me please, focus on all of us.

"Its the world of pokemon, where anything can happen" And there we have the problem. The World of Pokemon IS NOT. A place where everything can happen. Even the not always logical Anime shows it. This ain't no Wonderland. The world of pokemon has rules, especially concerning new moves. We care about Frost suddenly learning a new move, because we'd do in ANY Fantasy-driven adventure. See yourself in an SB stuck with a Black Mage (specialist in destructive, elemental magic). Wouldn't you find odd if after a good pace with said Black Mage, from one post to another, he'd suddenly be able to unleash a black hole that can set people on fire? Is that logic? Because even magical gimmicks have rules.
Pokémon is no exception. It. Has. Rules. You can do MANY things. The Anime shows MANY ways iin which you can take liberty. But that doesn't mean you can do impossible stuff. Since when does a Psychic blast electrocutes you? This never happened in Pokémon.
...Have you ever played a Pokémon game? I assume than yes, but now I'm getting worried.

But we are NOT going stricly by the rules, look at Twinkiel. Look what I'm doing with him. But we still have to follow SOME rules, or else it becomes utter chaos. I don't think you realize how different this SB would be if we were actually going by the actual full Pokemon rules. Do insist on that point, and I'll be sure to list you what we ALL should do if we were to go by the rules. If you think we're being strict here, ohoh, man, brace yourself. The Pokémon Metagame is worse than die-hard Math and Probability exercises.

First, you DIDN'T elaborate on your moves in that last post, which is the reason why I'm saying all this. Second... That's not how Twinkiel learned Electric Terrain. I let Fleedjio make an explanation as to how Twinkiel could manipulate his electricity. A few HOURS later, he managed it, but it wasn't just... There. There was development to how he learned the move.
Spoiler! :
“However,” continued the dragon, “both Aura and Pulse are energies that come from within you. They're your life force. In other words, if you cannot master your own electricity first, don't even hope to master either of those energies.”
“Master my own energy? You mean my electricity?”
“Precisely. Try toying with the shapes of your electric powers. By mastering them, you'll eventually evolve. And when you're ready, you'll learn Dragon Pulse. Ampharos can learn this move naturally.

And that's exactly what Electric Terrain is. But I used Anime rules for him to learn that. AKA I didn't go stricly by the rules. See?

So if now, next post, I say that Twinkiel can now burn you by using Electric Terrain, you wouldn't mind? Is that what you're saying?
The mistake you've made is not big, but that doesn' t mean it should be overlooked. And I didn't say "let's move on." My message was: "Stop and think for a sec with your comrades, THEN move on". You haven't done that yet.
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And why did I spend my life savings on sunglasses for a whale?
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:41 pm
Poopsie says...



I'm just going to say this. I have already stated an explanation as to how Frost got shadow ball, but still you continue the argument. I'm trying to move on, but we keep coming back to this mistake I made that I've already said i'd fix it.
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:49 pm
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@Verser You said that you'd use a TM machine next post, yes, I did read and acknoledged that. But you also said that the Pokemon World was a place in which everything could happened. And that we shouldn't go stricly by the rules, which we're not doin'. I answered to that too, which are very different subjects from your mistake (which is not the only thing I've been talking about, i.e. re-read my super-not-really-emotional-at-all-speech/past-experience-learning-thing post a few posts above).
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 7:56 pm
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If it makes everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside i'll make frost less op and explain the shadow ball thing
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:13 pm
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@Verser... *sigh* "warm and fuzzy inside", huh...
That's not at all why we're doing this, and @Charizard821, @AstralHunter and myself have explained why we mentioned the mistakes. No offense, but either you chose to ignore our reasons, either you didn't catch them.
Oh well. Please do.
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 8:51 pm
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I'm just going to cut in here and say something. Please for the love of Mew, DO NOT ADD TMS OR HMS TO THIS SB GUYS! Those are HUMAN MADE THINGS. It wouldn't logically make sense for them to be here, and TM moves can just sort of get away from the whole fun of learning a random move. Besides, does anybody even know how the TM works? I'm pretty sure you can't simply slap it on a Pokémon's head and call it a day (as you could in the older versions). So, I'm making a personal request to anyone who will listen to keep technically induced moves out of the equation.





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Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:09 pm
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@Charizard821 Which is why I meant is as Move tutoring stuff, AKA letting a Pokemon teach you a move. (though TMs were in Mytery Dungeon, for some reason, so we could just alter them into some sort of parchmins explaining how to use moves)
But yeah, We gotcha.
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Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:40 pm
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no tms? ok evil plate gave him powers cuz its got a mind of its own and it talks to him. .-.
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