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When Englishness becomes Britishness



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Fri Feb 17, 2006 7:57 pm
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Yes, but English is the name of the, over time, collective Germanic peoples who before the Normans final conquest of the isle, invaded the British isle (England-Angland=Angles), not the reverse (the [native] British peoples invading the isle of England). So by calling yourself 'British' in that sense, aren't you being more patriotic (reffering to the native peoples of the isle)? Else of course you're proud of being descended from the Germanic tribes-and really I would be too. But then I suppose you guys want that patriotism that Canadians and Americans, and as you said Scottish and Welsh peoples enjoy. Because in truth the 'English' people are mostly concerning those Germanic peoples and the Brits they sometime lived alongside, unlike the Picts who have a 'distinct' history as well as Welsh.
I come from a 'as far back as my parents can recall' Slavic heritage, and living in Canada, feel more strongly for the country I've been in for only 2 months than the country I've lived in for 15 years! I suppose being viewed as 'British' would be synonomous to a Croat or Slovene being viewed as a 'Yugoslav', which I equally resent. The Croats have a history apart from the short-lived Yugoslavia, as do English peoples. And interestingly enough, both seem to be within the same timeframe- Germanic invasion of the British Isle in around th 6th century AD=Croatian migration to what would be most of Croatia, and some of Bosnia; eventuall establishment of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom(s)=Eventual establishment of the Kingdom of Croatia; Invasion and victory of William in 1066=Invasion and victory of Koloman around 1090-1100. And just like recently Croats slowly being viewed as a distinct peoples, so to are you Englanders expressing your patriotism to your uniquness within the U.K.! So I quite understand your plight. :o (and my Avatar is being as patriotic as your English flag, it says 'Captain of the Croatian People's Defense')
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Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:21 pm
Swires says...



right......GOD SAVE OUR GRACIOUS QUEEN. Sorry lol. Yes I am patriotic about our unique identity as English People with in the British Isles.
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Fri Feb 17, 2006 9:25 pm
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[quote="Erethror"]Yes, but English is the name of the, over time, collective Germanic peoples who before the Normans final conquest of the isle, invaded the British isle (England-Angland=Angles), not the reverse (the [native] British peoples invading the isle of England). So by calling yourself 'British' in that sense, aren't you being more patriotic (reffering to the native peoples of the isle)? Else of course you're proud of being descended from the Germanic tribes-and really I would be too. But then I suppose you guys want that patriotism that Canadians and Americans, and as you said Scottish and Welsh peoples enjoy. Because in truth the 'English' people are mostly concerning those Germanic peoples and the Brits they sometime lived alongside, unlike the Picts who have a 'distinct' history as well as Welsh.
I come from a 'as far back as my parents can recall' Slavic heritage, and living in Canada, feel more strongly for the country I've been in for only 2 months than the country I've lived in for 15 years! I suppose being viewed as 'British' would be synonomous to a Croat or Slovene being viewed as a 'Yugoslav', which I equally resent. The Croats have a history apart from the short-lived Yugoslavia, as do English peoples. And interestingly enough, both seem to be within the same timeframe- Germanic invasion of the British Isle in around th 6th century AD=Croatian migration to what would be most of Croatia, and some of Bosnia; eventuall establishment of the Anglo-Saxon Kingdom(s)=Eventual establishment of the Kingdom of Croatia; Invasion and victory of William in 1066=Invasion and victory of Koloman around 1090-1100. And just like recently Croats slowly being viewed as a distinct peoples, so to are you Englanders expressing your patriotism to your uniquness within the U.K.! So I quite understand your plight. :o (and my Avatar is being as patriotic as your English flag, it says 'Captain of the Croatian People's Defense')[/quote]

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Im scottish....so......yeah.
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 12:03 am
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Thanks, Erethror, I can understand how you feel too.
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 3:40 am
Bjorn says...



I, in turn, rightly understand your position.

As for thegirlwhofateloves, was I being...over something?
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Sat Feb 18, 2006 10:44 am
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lol...my head just started buzzing! I'm was all worded out cos spent whole day writing. :D
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Sun Feb 19, 2006 1:31 am
backgroundbob says...



I've got blood from every part of the UK, and Canada to boot, so I'm pretty much not bothered who comes out on top. We've got the Clan Crest above the fireplace, but I'll support English teams over any other 'till Kingdom Come.
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