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Audre Lorde - "A Litany for Survival"

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  1. Poem Source: https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/ ... ffe067e99a

    For those of us who live at the shoreline
    standing upon the constant edges of decision
    crucial and alone
    for those of us who cannot indulge
    the passing dreams of choice
    who love in doorways coming and going
    in the hours between dawns
    looking inward and outward
    at once before and after
    seeking a now that can breed
    futures
    like bread in our children’s mouths
    so their dreams will not reflect
    the death of ours;

    For those of us
    who were imprinted with fear
    like a faint line in the center of our foreheads
    learning to be afraid with our mother’s milk
    for by this weapon
    this illusion of some safety to be found
    the heavy-footed hoped to silence us
    For all of us
    this instant and this triumph
    We were never meant to survive.

    And when the sun rises we are afraid
    it might not remain
    when the sun sets we are afraid
    it might not rise in the morning
    when our stomachs are full we are afraid
    of indigestion
    when our stomachs are empty we are afraid
    we may never eat again
    when we are loved we are afraid
    love will vanish
    when we are alone we are afraid
    love will never return
    and when we speak we are afraid
    our words will not be heard
    nor welcomed
    but when we are silent
    we are still afraid

    So it is better to speak
    remembering
    we were never meant to survive.




    (Suggested) Discussion Questions:

    1. What images stand out to you in this poem? How do they make you feel?

    2. What do you think the poem's concluding lines mean? How does the poet build up to them (rhetorically speaking) throughout the previous stanzas? Consider the choice of imagery and perhaps also the implicit examples given.

    3. Audre Lorde wrote about many of the social issues and injustices of her time, often in tandem with each other. Do you read social criticism in this particular poem? If so, is it more implicit or explicit to you? Do you find her way of presenting social issues effective?

    Feel free to discuss anything else about the poem that you would like, and I will add in my own thoughts on this later on. Cheers! :D
  2. 1. What images stand out to you in this poem? How do they make you feel?

    -What stood out the most to me was the metaphor of the "doorways", even though it's something of a one-off metaphor and isn't really brought up again. It creates this sense of being hidden, of narrowness and suffocation, which really helps build an atmosphere of danger in the poem for me.
    -There are also images related to the passing of time, specifically of daylight in "in the hours between dawns" and "when the sun rises . . . when the sun sets". Could it perhaps be to frame the subject of the poem in our everyday lives? I'm not to sure about this one, so I'd love to hear your thoughts on it :).
    -Another bit of imagery I found interesting was the juxtaposition between "mother's milk" and "weapon". The contrast between this image of comfort and that of violence and danger gives the poem this ambivalent, fragmented tone. When reading this bit, I always feel like such sharp contrasts make my awareness heighten, trying to figure out the incongruity going on there.


    2. What do you think the poem's concluding lines mean? How does the poet build up to them (rhetorically speaking) throughout the previous stanzas? Consider the choice of imagery and perhaps also the implicit examples given.

    -My interpretation of the final lines is that of an exhortation (albeit not a 'loud', shouty one) to speak out even in the face of fear. Lorde has an interesting way of saying this message that's very gritty and 'realistic' compared to some other poems I read. Basically instead of using moral grounds or emphasising the consequences of one's actions to convince the reader to be bold, she seems to make the case 'well, what to you have to lose?'.

    I tried putting together this list to describe what I think is being done in each stanza in terms of how the speaker comes to their conclusion:

    1. identifies the subject 'we' (marginalised people?) and creates
    pathos
    2. describes oppression, identified as cause
    of suffering - "We were never
    meant to survive."
    3. describes the many fears of the subject, seems to equate one
    to another in a list-like structure with a climax
    "but when we are silent
    we are still afraid"
    4. Conclusion "So . . ." - logical/rational decision the speaker comes to, not to fear speaking out

    Lorde also uses the repetition of phrases a lot, often similar phrases with just one or two words that changed, such as "love will vanish . . . love will never return". I think this sort of repeated syntactical structure gives a sense of sameness to a lot of the poem, but it is purposeful sameness in that it shows how uncertainty seems to permeate all aspects of life. This pervasive uncertainty is really important in why the speaker appears justified in coming to the conclusion they do, which is not only that they might as well speak out because nothing would be 'better' otherwise, but also coming to terms with an advantage that they have having survived so far.

    3. Audre Lorde wrote about many of the social issues and injustices of her time, often in tandem with each other. Do you read social criticism in this particular poem? If so, is it more implicit or explicit to you? Do you find her way of presenting social issues effective?

    - In this poem, Lorde seems to be presenting a lot of different social issues as interconnected with each other. For instance, I think "love in doorways coming and going" could be a reference to LGBTQ+ rights, as Lorde herself was a lesbian and this often comes up in her other poems. "passing dreams of choice" and "like bread in our children's mouths" are both images that seem to suggest socioeconomic inequality. However, many of the lines, especially in the third stanza, seem to avoid being specific. A lot of the underlying issues she might be referencing are described implicitly and seem to be left for the reader to judge, kind of like a secret code for her intended readership. I could easily see the following as applying to both of the above issues:

    "when we are loved we are afraid
    love will vanish
    when we are alone we are afraid
    love will never return"


    -Overall, I find that the way Lorde presents social issues here is effective because of its intersectionality. By weaving in implicit references to various social issues while making mood and emotion the main focus, she produces a very human and holistic piece of work that avoids isolating the issue from its wider context. To me, at least, that makes a really effective protest poem.
  3. 1. What images stand out to you in this poem? How do they make you feel?

    Probably because it's part of the opening line, the image that stands out strongest to me is that of someone standing at the edge of a beach with their toes in the water. And more generally, a lot of the imagery in the poem is about being at different edges - edge of the shoreline, edge of the doorway, edge of the day - which makes me, the reader, feel a bit on edge.
    As a slightly unrelated side note - everything that this poem made me picture in my head was in very muted colours. I think it could be because of her references to dawn ("hours between dawns" ... "and when the sun rises" ... "it might not rise in the morning") and dusk ("and when the sun sets") which for me brings to mind weak greyish/bluish light. It might also be because of the fearful tone of the poem, or perhaps just my mind randomly deciding to switch to greyscale :) If anyone else noticed what sort of colours they pictured when they were reading this poem, I'd definitely be interested to hear that!

    2. What do you think the poem's concluding lines mean? How does the poet build up to them (rhetorically speaking) throughout the previous stanzas? Consider the choice of imagery and perhaps also the implicit examples given.

    Each time I read the poem I have a slightly different interpretation of the final stanza. The first time through, I read it how @Liminality did, as in something along the lines of "we've got nothing to lose" or "we're going to die eventually, anyway". The second time, I read it more as "the people suppressing us don't want us to survive and/or don't care if we don't survive, so let's prove them wrong". And then the last time I read it, I thought maybe it was: "it's ridiculous that we have to fight for the ability to merely survive; we have the right to survive like everyone else, what we should have to work for is to thrive, and it's unfair that we're so focused on surviving we don't have the chance to thrive". I think these are all very powerful messages, and perhaps she meant a bit of all three.
    For all of us
    this instant and this triumph
    We were never meant to survive.

    ^I find it effective how she foreshadows the ending here at the end of the second stanza. Especially since she only uses that line ("We were never meant to survive") here, and at the ending - it works well to tie the poem together without getting overly repetitive. It reminds me a bit in music of having a half cadence to end the first phrase, and then having an authentic cadence to end the entire poem -> in other words, there's a slight pause after the first "we were never meant to survive", but the poem doesn't feel entirely finished; after the second time (the very last line) it feels fully finished.

    3. Audre Lorde wrote about many of the social issues and injustices of her time, often in tandem with each other. Do you read social criticism in this particular poem? If so, is it more implicit or explicit to you? Do you find her way of presenting social issues effective?

    I think there's definitely social criticism in this poem - a lot of its pretty vague, and I feel like the poem can be addressed to all marginalized/suppressed groups as a whole - but I personally see the poem as touching predominately on poverty & racism.
    (Since this poem is addressed to "those of us", implying that Lorde herself is included, I did a quick google to find out a bit about her background / perspectives and she described herself as "black, lesbian, mother, warrior, poet" and Wikipedia describes her as a "writer, feminist, womanist, librarian, and civil rights activist". So she comes from a place where it would make sense for her to be addressing racism, sexism, and homophobia, which helps give context to the poem I think.)
    seeking a now that can breed
    futures
    like bread in our children’s mouths
    ...
    when our stomachs are empty we are afraid
    we may never eat again.

    ^These references to food and hunger make me think Lorde is talking at least partially about poverty. Her continual descriptions of fear ("...who are imprinted with fear" ... "this illusion of some safety to be found" ... "but when we are silent/we are still afraid") also seem to indicate the poem is overall about discrimination and inequality.

    I agree with Liminality that Lorde does a wonderful job of establishing mood, and her use of imagery + repetition works really well to contribute to that. This is such a thought-provoking poem, and each time I read it I feel like I discover another interesting detail.

    Thanks for organizing this Liminality! <3
  4. 1.) The image that stood out to me was time, probably because it was mentioned several times (haha) throughout the poem. Lines like “in the hours between dawns,” “…sun rises…” “…sun sets…” and the sun, morning, dawn, and images like those being repeated made me aware of the passage of time.
    I’m not quite sure what to think about this, but since the poem reads “we are afraid / it might not remain” and “we are afraid / it might not rise in the morning” it ties “we were never meant to survive” together, to me. Because they both, to me, seem to portray uncertainty and the fact that everything is going to come to an end and nothing is certain or definite. I’m not really sure haha xD

    2.) I think the poem’s concluding lines mean that you should speak your mind and live your life to the fullest despite what others say about you and despite the fear that may be holding you back, because this life is temporary and you aren’t going to live indefinitely. So you might as well make your voice heard :)

    3.) Yes, I do read social criticism/issues in this poem. I think it’s more implicit. “Crucial and alone” made me think of those who are “shunned” or feel isolated from the rest of society and those who are considered “normal.” With “imprinted in fear,” it reminds me of being persecuted for your race, religion, views, beliefs, and so on. And the latter part of the second to last stanza / third stanza seems to portray social criticism the strongest for me.
    I do think the way she presents social issues effective because she uses ordinary, everyday things to describe the issues like “bread” and sun/time images so that everyone can understand her message, even if you’ve never personally experienced persecution.

    My interpretation of this poem changed while I was writing this, so if something I said earlier doesn’t agree with something I said later, oops cx

    Thank you so much for organizing this! <3


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