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you & all the dates i should not forget

by redcarnation


i should remember the exact date of when we stood under the mango trees

but unlike you i don't have a head for dates

besides, i don't think even you could remember this one

           

my heart is clumsy and frail like a piece of paper

i accidently spilled black tea all over it & i dont even like black tea

you don't like it either, but i do remember that you wiped it away

              

i've never forgotten your words or the dimensions of your face

how could i? when i see you instead of commanders of armies

in black & white on my history textbook

                        

maybe you remember some things too

like how you had your arm around me- ready for a picture

cameras exist to preserve our history don't they?

                        

i hope you know you're bigger than this world

& that you've invaded my soul bit by bit.


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Hello friend! First of all, I should mention that this is one of my reviews for the in-depth poetry, reviewing event! I am so happy to get the chance to review this fantastic poem of yours. Without wasting any more time, let's jump right into this in depth review.

Stanza One

i should remember the exact date of when we stood under the mango trees

but unlike you i don't have a head for dates

besides, i don't think even you could remember this one


I like this opening. Right from the start, we have a very reflective tone. You say "I should remember". So right from the start, it sets up the scene of reflecting on something that has happened before. It seems like you introduced this other person, who wrote from the start, I get the impression that you were once very close to. At one time, you stood underneath mango trees. To begin, I like the simplicity. You don't give us overly complicated details, instead it has a very reflective tone, as I said before. I like the different size of the lines. Some are a lot longer and some are shorter. Let's continue on!

Stanza Two

my heart is clumsy and frail like a piece of paper

i accidently spilled black tea all over it & i dont even like black tea

you don't like it either, but i do remember that you wiped it away


I really love this stanza! I love how you describe your heart as being clumsy and frail. That's not something that we would normally describe a heart as speaking. Instead, I feel like we're getting a lot more human like characteristics. Perhaps you're describing yourself and your ability to love or admire, and other person. I get the sense that you changed yourself for this person, perhaps because you admire them and wanted them to like you too. You paint a nice picture of you spilling tea and then them wiping it away. Use a very gentle tone, you convey how you had things in common with them. Perhaps you thought in similar ways.

Stanza Three

i've never forgotten your words or the dimensions of your face

how could i? when i see you instead of commanders of armies

in black & white on my history textbook


I love how you ask simple questions here. Like asking how you could forget the dimensions of someone's face. In this stanza, we learn a lot more about this person and the love that you feel for them at one time. It seems like you see this person in a lot of other aspects of your life as well, like your school textbook. To me, this is really saying how important they were to you and how it's hard for you to forget about them. You go throughout your entire day, trying to do regular things like school, but you still see them and remember them, even though the memories are a bit blurry, they're still there.

Stanzas Four and Five

maybe you remember some things too

like how you had your arm around me- ready for a picture

cameras exist to preserve our history don't they?


i hope you know you're bigger than this world

& that you've invaded my soul bit by bit.


I love this ending. You give such a melancholy feel. You really love this person. I really liked the ending when you speak to them directly, saying what you hope they know. This fills me with so many questions. Where are they now? What happened to make you guys grow apart? I don't see any mention of conflict in this poem. I only see things that hint towards you being great friends who mean a lot to each other. I would love to see more detail about what caused this drift, or if there even is a drift at all. it seems like this person invaded your soul. Maybe they don't know you as much as you know them. Or maybe they've left. There's so many possibilities. But overall, I love the organization and the gentleness of your words. It was not overly complex, and it was easy to follow along with, as if it was a story or a poetry book. Overall, fantastic work, and has been a pleasure to read this poem.

Have a wonderful day, and keep on writing, friend!

Your friend,
Ellie




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Thank you so much for this review!!



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Hello, redcarnation. Happy Review Month! Valkyria here to review your lovely work. I will be using the YWS S'more Method today! Let's get into it:

Top Graham Cracker - What I Know
This is such a cute poem! I interpreted it as the narrator having a crush on someone else. The other person doesn't reciprocate it because they are unaware of the crush. There are some lovely metaphors and symbolisms that punch the emotions into the readers. The imagery paints the picture for us. The stanzas are strong, and every word is used to the fullest.

Slightly Burnt Marshmallow - Room for Improvements
There's a little inconsistency with the punctuation throughout the poem. Some stanzas have commas and periods while others do not. Punctuation is a stylistic choice, but remember to keep it consistent if you choose to have it or not.

I also want to suggest changing the narrator's memory of their time at the mango tree. It's implied that the other person has a better memory, but they don't remember the tree. Instead of the narrator not able to remember the exact date, they're able to name the date, day, and time. It makes the crush feel more impactful that they can remember the date, even though the other person may not think of it as significant.

Chocolate Bar - Highlights of the Piece
The first stanza strikes a vivid image that immediately pulls me in. Already I have an idea of what the poem is about. Mangoes symbolize happiness, love, and spending time with people you care about. What a perfect way to open the poem. I also love how you characterized the other person. They have a good memory for dates unlike you, but that moment under the mango tree was so insignificant to them that they probably don't remember.

Moving on to the second stanza, I love the metaphor of the paper. It's a great comparison to how open the narrator's heart is, but they can't steady themselves when they fall for someone. I also love that we get to see a little more of the other person's character. Wiping away the tea even though they don't like it shows that they are kind and compassionate. No wonder the narrator has a crush on her.

I like the image of the narrator seeing their crush in textbooks instead of actual historical figures. It adds a nice touch of the person daydreaming. And for the final symbolism, I love how the camera is used. I never thought of cameras preserving the subjects' history. It's a nice callback to the first stanza because the person's memory is really good.

Closing Graham Cracker - Closing Thoughts
This was a wonderful poem. I enjoyed reading it! There are beautiful similes and striking imagery in the poem. You captured the tone perfectly. There's a genuine crush for someone else, but there's a hint of sadness because the other person doesn't feel the same. Wonderful job on this!

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than youu!!



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Hey there!

Your first line starts off and immediately pulls me into a very specific, vivid image. It was a little abrupt, but I’m not even mad about it because it was such a strong, immediate response.

I wanted you to define the date you’re talking about. You mention in the first stanza that the subject of your poem has a head for dates, but you doubt they even know this one. This indicates to the reader that it’s a possibly insignificant date to the subject, but very important to the writer - but you kind of drop this thread quickly as you merge into the next stanza. My honest suggestion in editing would be to just scrap the first stanza all together.

This is mostly because the second stanza is absolutely excellent and should be the introduction for this poem. You would start out on such a stronger foot with “my heart is clumsy…” being the first line. Try it out and see what you think. That being said, I do think there’s still work to be done on the second stanza. You draw our attention to very specific details (a date that is significant but also not, black tea being spilled but disliked by both parties) but you don’t really give any context to this information, so it falls a little flat for me. Why was there black tea around your paper heart? Why should we care if it was spilled? Why does it matter that neither of you like it? Again, you want the image you’re striking to be evocative, but you also want it to mean something beyond it being a pretty line strung together.


I feel like something you should think about when you’re working on editing is completely fleshing out your ideas. These stanzas feel a little disjointed from one another and not really connected to a grander picture. I want them to connect a little more deeply from one stanza to another. You pull in a lot of different imagery (textbooks, pictures, history, invasion) throughout the last three stanzas, but I want it to be a little more intentional as to why you’re using these comparisons to describe someone. Earlier in the poem you implied that even though the subject doesn’t like black tea, they cleaned it off your heart anyway, which I interpreted to mean that they were caring, thoughtful, selfless person. Then, later, you switch the narrative to make it seem like they’re commanding, imposing, and all consuming.


This is not to say it can’t be both! It definitely can! I just think I need a little more details to help pull me into the world of the writer and the subject of this poem. Adding more lines to each stanza, or perhaps combining a few to make a more cohesive story would help a lot.

You have some excellent work here. There is a lot of room to grow, which is the best part about poetry, the change and development can be so exciting and invigorating. You capture the tone and voice of a first, young love so effectively. It is genuine and sweet with an undertone of melancholy that I can’t help but enjoy. Really, really nice!!


- Sizzle




redcarnation says...


thankyou for the review!! it was very helpful :)



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Hello! I'm here to review this wonderful poem. I will be reviewing as I read (a second and third time most likely <3)

The opening line grabbed my attention. Instantly I wanted to know what is significant about the mango trees which is a perfect symbol in and of itself. Mangos are a tropical fruit and a beautiful orange red color that in this case seems to represent friendship and the hope of a bright future. The character appears to be very whimsical, living in the moment as they don't remember the date of this meeting, but it obviously holds tender memories.

frail like a piece of paper
oooh!! Perfect way to phrase that. It really makes me think of a piece of paper after it gets wet and gets super limp. I know that's not specified in the poem but I feel like the image is very fitting because it shows how little control the character feels about her situation. I being to feel that she is falling in love with this person refered to as "you."

Now the part about the paper. I see beyond this paper being just a piece of paper but now a metaphor for the characters heart. They spilled black tea that she does not even like and hurt the paper-their heart. But whoever this was wiped the paper clean and made it clean. This person clearly picked the main character up from a bad situation and set things right. This character is a hero, and the author appears to be shy about this as this story of her life is covered up in such a metaphor. (Perhaps Im getting this all wrong and in fact that was the telling of a true story of paper getting spilled, but if neither likes black tea, why would it be there unless it were a metaphor?)

This history textbook I believe stands for the characters own history. They care nothing about what happened in the past of the nation. Rather, daydreams follow the character during class. This was a very subtle message and I did not catch the symbolism until a second read. Nice job putting history in there to subtly show the reader how important this other character is to the author!

My speculations about the history were confirmed in the next lines. The character believes that this history of their life is the most important thing to rement.

The last stanza shows how deeply the character feels about this other character. I still have a feeling that the character is very shy about this crush but clearly desires the other character to know. I hope the two get together.

Overall, I loved the read. As I reread I uncovered layers that a first read just simply cannot give. Great job!

I'm not much of a poet so I won't add too many criticisms because I know that every poet has their own style, but I want to add but I do want to mention that several lines I had to read a few times over because there was no grammer to indicate the end of the thought. It's fine if you leave it as it is, but I felt that it slowed down the pace at which the poem can be read and understood, BUT without the grammer the poem takes on a very casual touch and the idea of the characters thoughts being so fast, punctuation gets left behind. But if you want to slow the pace a little and make it sound more contemplative you could consider adding an occasional punctuation mark. That said, you choose whatever you wish to do. It's great no matter what you do. I just wanted to comment on that.

Hope this review helps <3
-Kaia




redcarnation says...


thanks for the review <33 the paper and tea was symbolism :D



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Excellent! You're welcome :D



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Hai :3

This is so delicate and full of heart!! The way you capture memory and those tiny moments, like the mango trees and the black tea, is so intimate but also relatable in this kinda universal way. Like the specifics are your story, but the feelings are so easy to connect to. The line about not having a head for dates but still holding onto everything else ~~ It’s such a soft way of talking about how love and memory work. We forget the little details, but the feeling stays with us!! Sososo real!!

The metaphor with the heart being clumsy and frail like paper hit me so hard!! The same with the tea spill. Like, you didn’t even like it but it still stained everything, and then they wiped it away. I love that little detail!! It’s such a perfect image of someone caring for you, even in those messy, everyday moments. It says so much without being overly dramatic. It balances casual with something not so much.

i've never forgotten your words or the dimensions of your face
how could i? when i see you instead of commanders of armies
in black & white on my history textbook


Aaa!! That’s SUCH a powerful comparison!! I love how you go from these super personal, warm memories to something like history textbooks and commanders of armies in black & white ~~ It makes the person feel so alive and important, like they’re bigger than anything else in your world. Now that's love!!

Like, the switch to commanders of armies is really cool, but it feels kinda abrupt? Maybe bridge the connection between them and this person a bit more; how do they compare? Are they a leader in your life the way commanders are in history? It’s such an interesting thought and I think a little more clarity could make it hit even harder!! It doesn't come off of the page for me, yk? It's just there.

i hope you know you're bigger than this world
& that you've invaded my soul bit by bit.


Perfect conclusion !! What a gorgeous poem ~~ It leaves me feeling like I’m standing in that moment with you, feeling all those emotions just flood in.

- Payton




redcarnation says...


thank you for the review!! i really appreciate it :D




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