Just know that even though you may get a lot of hate for this work, I wholeheartedly agree and think you are correct <3
There is a lot of debate among the Christian community and everyone, about the LGBT+ community. The debate is about if it's wrong or not. In this essay, I will be discussing if it's wrong from my reading and understanding of the Bible. Through God's help, to understand it. I will be also explaining a few things I have noticed that people have been misunderstanding. And/or taking out of context
I have seen many non-Christians and Christians alike saying that, "Well if you think being part of the LGBT+ community is wrong. Then you must think getting a tattoo, cutting your hair, and showing too much skin is a sin too!" Thought, everyone's stand on modesty is different. When I say modestly you probably think long sleeves shirts and long skirts. I think modesty is general respect for your body and the understanding that while bodies are a beautiful thing and not somthing to be ashamed of. You should respect it.
Definition of modesty: behaviour, manner, or appearance intended to avoid impropriety or indecency.
There are two different types of laws in the Old Testament. One is a ceremonial law. For example, sacrificing animals that "took" people's sins. It didn't take away their sins, only God can do that, but it was a representation. God was strict in the Old Testament to show people that they can't be perfect like God is perfect. It showed them they are sinners. Some laws protected them. Like they couldn't eat certain meats. Back then, they didn't have a way to refrigerate things. They probably couldn't cook meat all the way either. So it wouldn't be safe to eat meat, mainly pork. This is just one example, but I could go on.
The other type of law is a moral law. All of the Ten Commandments were moral laws. There were some other moral laws, but the Ten Commandments cover most of them.
1. You shall have no other gods before Me
2. You shall not make for yourself a carved image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them
3. You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
4. Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy
5. Honor your father and your mother
6. You shall not murder
7. You shall not commit adultery
8. You shall not steal
9. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour
10. You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbour’s
Let me explain, first things first.
A very big part of reading the Bible is listening to the Holy Spirit. It's not just a book, it’s a living book, God's word that was written by prophets years ago according to the Holy Spirit.
Many say that it's been changed through translation. If it's been changed throughout the translation, the ones who did so would be in BIG trouble. God clearly states in Revelation 22: 18-19 that altering the Bible or only listening to certain parts is a very bad thing to do.
Revelation 22: 18-19
"I testify to everyone who hears the prophetic words of this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone subtracts from the prophetic words of this book, God will remove his portion from the Tree of Life and in the holy city, which is described in this book."
If you’ve ever read Revelation, there is a whole lotta crazy horrible stuff that takes place at the end of the world(which is yet to come) the holy city is heaven. And the tree of life
When people have translated the Bible it was done very carefully. The people who were doing so were guided by both their studies of the Bible in its original language and by the Holy Spirit.
Second, I see a WHOLE lot of people saying that us Christians say that being part of the LGBT+ community is a sin, then we must not get a tattoo or be divorced or eat certain meats. If you lived back in the days before Jesus was around, then yeah, that would all be a sin.
Someone recently pointed out a recently musical made movie, called The Prom. in is a scene or rather a song where a boy confronts a bunch of Christians about the very things I said above. While I still believe masturbation and sex before marriage is a sin. Divorce is somthing I will address in a bit. The others aren't anymore.
Many people have taken these things WAY out of context. If you think this then you clearly haven’t read the Bible. Or at least read it properly with God's guidance to understand.
To put this into context, MANY of these things were written in the Old Testament. The witch was written when God's people(or the Christians) were way gone astray. So God had a set of strict rules written for them.
this paragraph is a WIP btw
This verse not only talks about divorce but why these rules were made that I just talked about
Mark 10:2-5
At one point, some of the Pharisees came, seeking to entrap him with a question. “Tell us,” they asked, “is it lawful for a man to divorce[d] his wife?”
3 He answered them, “What did Moses command you?”
4 They replied, “Moses permitted us to write a certificate of separation that would be valid to complete a divorce.”
5 Jesus said, “Yes, Moses wrote this exception[e] for you because you are hardhearted.
if you look past this verse it says divorce is wrong, lemme show you a few more verses that talk about it
Matthew 19:5-8
5 and ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and live with his wife.[e] And the two will become one flesh.’[f] 6 From then on, they are no longer two, but united as one. So what God unites let no one divide!”
7 They responded, “So then why did Moses command us to give a certificate of divorce and it would be lawful?”
8 Jesus said, “Moses permitted you to divorce because your hearts are so hard and stubborn,[g] but originally there was no such thing. 9 But I say to you, whoever leaves his wife for any reason other than immorality, then takes another wife is living in adultery. And whoever takes a divorced woman in marriage is also living in adultery.”[h]
Romans 7:2-3
For example, a married couple is bound by the law to remain together until separated by death. But when one spouse dies, the other is released from the law of the marriage. 3 So then if a wife is joined to another man while still married, she commits adultery. But if her husband dies, she is free from the marriage contract and may marry another man without being charged with adultery.[a]
Side note: yes some of these target women. Back in those days women were considered less than men and were more or less under the authority of their husbands. But God wishes that men and women are equal so treat these verses as such
Now about divorce, first off, I saw the song that says that if two get divorced then the woman will be killed?? That’s not even what the Bible says where did they even get that!
Divorce is something that is strongly advised against. It's a very sad thing to have to do. But it's not somthing you can't do.
If you're in an abusive relationship. Or your partner is being unfaithful and is making no attempts to right their ways or sprouting lies.
Let me use an example here. I am going to use someone I know. I will not be using their name of course. I will be changing their name to Lily.
Lily married this man, let’s call him Mark. they were married for 20 years and had three kids.
Lily recently found out that Mark had been cheating on her with a girl at the gym he went to.
She confronted him and he said he was sorry. A bit later she found out he was still cheating on her. She confronted him again and he apologized and said he wouldn't do it again. once again she found out he went back to the girl.
(it later truned out the woman he was sleeping with was indeed married. After her husband found out, he divorced eh)
They had a long talk about it and Mark said he would consult God. The couple took a small break from each other to talk to God and figure out what to do.
After the break Mark was convinced that what he was doing was not only ok but what God wanted him to do.
Lily was torn. She wanted to fix her marriage desperately, especially for the sake of their kids.
They took another break and Lily went to go spent some time with her family in the other province. Taking the kids with her.
Upon her return, she found that make had not only brought the girl to their house for a few days. But had brought an apartment and was moving into a said apartment with the other woman
Lily desperately wanted to avoid divorce, but Mark didn’t seem to want to. She was torn and lost.
Upon consulting her close friend, who urged her to divorce Mark, she decided she would.
They have not yet gone through with the divorce as Lily is very scared. But in simple words, Mark is a horrible, detestable man.
I feel that divorce is somthing that one should heavily consult God on.
This being said according to the bible being part of the LGBT+ is a sin. and as it is God's word I stand by it.
You have most likely heard of the saying "love your neighbour like your self"
that means to treat people as you want to be treated, with love.
Now one thing we must remember. Love means that you will love this person no matter what. But you are willing to correct them or do what's best for them even if they don’t see it.
It’s like parenting a child. They may want candy, but you know that if you give them candy that it will not be good for them or make them feel sick. Even if they don't see why you won't give them candy, you do.
As a Christian, I think we should treat everyone with love as respect. I may think that being part of the LGBT+ community was a sin. But chances are you've heard that a million times already. I will probably at one point tell you this if the conversation prompts me to say so. But regardless. I will respect your chosen pronouns and will treat you as any other respectful person I come across in this world.
If you have any questions plz leave them in the comments below and I will get to answering them. I can go into further depth on certain subjects related to this topic if you are confused, or simply curious.
Just know that even though you may get a lot of hate for this work, I wholeheartedly agree and think you are correct <3
1. Gender is a human construct.
2. Saying with certainty whether something is right or wrong based on the Bible is impossible, because not everyone believes in God.
3. I appreciate your thoughts here, but please don't say things like this to LGBTQ+ people, it's hurtful.
4. Homosexual intercourse and child-rearing has been observed to be present in hundreds of species besides humans.
5. Being queer isn't a choice.
Basically nature doesn't care what the Bible thinks. If God created all life, then he sure did make a lot of it pretty durn gay.
This is a good analysis. President Russell M. Nelson gave a speech, I don’t remember exactly what he said. Basically, God ordained marriage between a man and a woman, and any sexual relations outside of that specific relationship are fornication. God views sexual sins as one of the most abominable of sins, so maybe we’re not on the same page, considering that I feel hatred of sinners is worse than sinning. It seems so many Christians are so busy condemning ‘sins’ that they never do God's work, but instead push people away from the truth and love that His gospel has to give. And God has said, (again, I’m bad with quote recall) that he who ignorantly sinneth is not ultimately condemned. That's not saying that they’re going to have things easier or even fulfilling, and not that you won’t be destroyed in the last days, but that most people have been blinded to the consequences of sin and it would be cruel to condemn them eternally for not knowing right from wrong. That being said, since Adam, humankind has been blessed with knowledge of good and evil, so although most people rely on artificial internal compasses designed by modern thought or their culture, we all have some responsibility.
Hi LadyMysterio! I appreciate your non-agressive Christian view on LGBT+ people. I realize this is an older piece, but I did want to pop in for a few quick comments.
I have been questioning my sexuality (and even gender!) for a long time and it does always hurt a little bit to hear someone say that homosexuality is wrong. It is something that hurts nobody at all, and therefore how can it be wrong? I was raised atheist, so I haven't ready the Bible, but I do believe that it also condemns eating pork and shellfish, and I don't see most Christians respecting that rule.
I actually just watched a (really bad but enjoyable movie) on Netflix called The Prom about a lesbian high schooler and one guy performed an entire song for some high school straight Christians about why using their religion to condemn homosexuality is ridiculous. And it even features the "love thy neighbor" as the chorus, which is why your piece here reminded me of it!
While your sentiment is somewhat progressive for Christian ideology, I think that saying "This thing you are doing is wrong but since 'love thy neighbor' takes precedence, I guess I'll do that" is not exactly supportive of LGBT+ folks. It's sort of the bare minimum of acceptance, and instead of opening a door to understand people that are different from you, you're sort of putting up a wall and saying "I don't have to make any more effort to understand these people because at least I'm not hurting them", and in my opinion, that's not enough.
I read a book by Jacob Tobia called Sissy, a memoir by a queer nonbinary person, and it's significant because I was surprised to find that they are whole-heartedly Christian. It was one of the things that made me realize that being queer and Christian are not mutually exclusive. It was a fantastic book that I would recommend to anyone, especially those who struggle to understand nonbinary and trans gender identities and the queer relationship with religion.
I think I'll leave it there, though this is a topic I am extremely passionate about and could talk about all day. You are a great writer!
Nymeria
Hello M'lady! I just wanted to leave a quick comment about this work you posted!
LGBTQ+ is a rather touchy subject for me and honestly, I'm not sure how to feel about it. I don't think it's wrong but I don't necessarily think it's right either, y'know? Like, if I meet a queer person I'm not gonna be up and front like "What you're doing is wrong be (quote-unquote)'normal'" because that's wrong and I know that for a lot of people being either male or female and sticking to those genders can be really stressful and it feels like they have to be someone that they're not-- and that's okay! However, as you've said, the Bible does say that it's not right and we should stick to the fact that God loves everyone for who they are and what they've done because that's exactly how He made them. So long story short, thank you for sharing this M'lady, I wholeheartedly agree!
Have a lovely day <3
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‘Sup! It’s AngelLily!
I just wanna say, PREACH! I am a Christian and I totally agree with you. I love how you used scriptures to backup your points. And I loved how you explained that we should still love our neighbor, even if we don’t believe what they are doing is right. I really enjoyed this piece of literature. Write on!
You are a very talented writer!
~AngelLily 😇
I can't say I agree. The sources that you cite have all been translated, no pun intended, to Hell and back and have become polluted by the bias of each translator it passes through. The Bible was not originally written in English, so thus the messages have been polluted a bit. I recommend going to this site:
http://hoperemainsonline.com/
and reading up some. There are pages for the passages you cite and some others too. There's also a page that addresses trans people! Each page is written by theologian scholars who go back and look at the passages in their original language and translate them directly, giving linguistic and historical evidence proving that the Bible in its original form does not condemn homosexuality. Really interesting stuff! Hope you think it's interesting.
Sincerely, a trans, gay Christian who knows God made me who I am and that is not a sin.
Hi! I would, before I write this review, tell you a bit about the perspective from which I'm writing it. I know the bible. Aside from the fact that I grew up in a Christian household, Sunday school was often my favorite part of the week, I've also read the bible several times, cover to cover (even Numbers. I still don't know how I mustered the patience for that when I was as small and impulsive as I was). The New Testimate was always my favorite, especially Revelation and Matthew, but I took a lot of care in studying the bible as a whole as well.
While I wouldn't call myself an expert on the book, I would say that I'm definitely not speaking from a place of ignorance.
You cited this verse,
Leviticus 18:22, (NIV) says:
Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (NIV)
Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your bodies.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. I've been friends with LGBT+ people but never brought this topic up since it was just too controversial. I'm Christian and disagree with being trans, but I would not judge another person if they are, instead be friendly and treat them as another person with individual choice over their bodies. There is not much I can say other than God had given us the control over our decisions, and just because I wouldn't, doesn't mean I'm going to judge another for doing so. I think more Christians should realize this instead of outright hating and cursing the LGBT+ group. It's not that it's disgusting/revolting, it just feels unnatural to do something like this to yourself, but I don't really mind people doing it either since they decided it, and since it's their decision, I don't have a problem with it.
hey @EverLight, thought you might enjoy this essay that I wrote. Please tell me your thoughts
I am probably going to get a lot of controversy over this...
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