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'til vs. Till

Which do you support?

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Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:44 pm
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JFW1415 says...

(This is in regards to the shortened version of 'until.')

Well, I have recently been informed by the amazing Jabbster that 'til is no longer grammatically correct.

That is simply not acceptable.

So she and I spent a good hour searching the Internet, looking for the correct answer. Many dictionaries preferred till. Many other places liked 'til.

Both are common, so it’s up to you which one you like. Till is commoner in Scotland, where it can be used like dative to in some situations, while ’til is commoner in the U.S.

(Link: here.)

The current position is that until is the more common of the two words and is generally considered to be slightly more formal, which is why it turns up more often in edited prose. It is also rather more likely to appear at the beginning of a sentence than is till. But till is perfectly good English and the choice of whether to use it or until is often decided by the rhythm of the sentence.

(Link: here.)

So, which do you support? Both are used often, so it's up to you.

Who will win?

Last edited by JFW1415 on Mon Jun 23, 2008 1:36 am, edited 2 times in total.

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Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:50 pm
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Tamora says...

Of course it's 'til!! it's supposed to be a smaller version of until, I just can't think of the grammar term right now. lol
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Fri Jun 13, 2008 11:52 pm
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JabberHut says...

I do believe it's 'til anyway, despite all the arrows pointing to till when it comes to prose. It only makes sense to me that 'til be the correct form, seeing as it's the abbreviation for [or just a lazy way of saying] until. Yes, till looks cleaner, but it hurts my eyeballs with all the vertical lines anyway. xD

I'm supporting good ol' 'til all the way.

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Snoink says...

Till. :P
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Sat Jun 14, 2008 2:12 am
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'til ftw!
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Areida says...

I like till. I can type it faster than 'til; I don't know why. XD
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Matt Bellamy says...

Until! Or the abbreviation of until, so, 'til.

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Antares says...

Till. *is Scottish*

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Rei says...

I guess 'til does make more sense sinse it is a shorter version of until. Personally, I rarely ever use them in my writing, anyway, so it makes little difference to me which is more correct.
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JezzaP says...

Until = [s]un[/s]til = 'til

I rarely use them though, but when I do, 'til FTW! :D
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BigBadBear says...

Matt Bellamy wrote:Until! Or the abbreviation of until, so, 'til.

Ever look at a word so much that it doesn't look like a word anymore? o_O

That's freaky. You're right. Until looks strange now. XD

Well, I'm all for 'til.
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Demeter says...

I prefer "until". :) But I think that 'til is the short for until, and till is its own word. ? Not sure, though.
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Twit says...

My... head... hurts.

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I always use until. Using 'till or till seems like using "ok" in narrative. Too colloquial and all.
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niteowl says...

'til. I'm pretty sure till is a different word meaning something completely different. Possibly something to do with farming?
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