Young Writers Society

Guys, it is your money, if you don't want to buy it, then don't. It's as simple as that.

I understand your...eh...eh..."reasoning" (Geddit?), but Nate is just trying to re-introduce things that used to be here to give a fresh, new "re-opening" to YWS. This is a time of happiness, so be happy!

As being a noob-y computer programmer myself, I understand that with each new thing that you introduce to a website, especially one as big as this, there will be reprocussions. That means that there will always be bugs in the site, and I'm sure that Nate is trying to balance this out as fast as he can, but you are not helping by raining on this parade, for lack of a better term.

Nate has been gone for about a week or so. As the creator of the website, that will make his workload pile up extremely quickly. He has a life outside of YWS, and he'll get to it as soon as he can. So, just sit back and enjoy it for now. The bugs will be fixed soon, and as Nate is the only one fixing them, be patient.

Rea: In which case I'll explain that you aren't paying for a pro account. You're donating and receiving a pro account for your coolness. They're not really a service, you get a badge and have the ability to get rid of the ads if you want? He's not selling it, he's gifting it in return, as a small thank you.

I dig your concerns, I'm sure Nate will get to them as soon as he's able.

Reason & Kyllorac ->> If you're unhappy with the free service provided by YWS, then you are welcome to go elsewhere. I don't get paid to run YWS, and the money YWS earns from advertising goes right back into hosting costs.

All a pro account does is turn off advertising. If you don't want to pay for that, that's cool. I understand; particularly if you're unhappy with the service I am providing you by running this website for you.

If you really don't like adds, then just get Add Block Plus...

r u 4srs gais

DiskElemental wrote:If you really don't like adds, then just get Add Block Plus...

If everyone ran ad-block plus, it'd destroy the Internet. All the sites you love would be forced to become paid only. Like it or not, but the reason most of the sites you visit are free is due to advertising.

Personally, I use ad-block plus because I think a lot of sites go overboard with ads. But I turn it off for websites I like and enjoy.

The service of YWS is free and pro accounts are simply an option for members to help support the community through a donation. YWS isn't a product and Nate's not trying to sell it as such.

What we're looking for with the press release is the same thing as always - we're aiming to reach as many like minded individuals as we can and share this wonderful experience with them.

Nate wrote:Personally, I use ad-block plus because I think a lot of sites go overboard with ads. But I turn it off for websites I like and enjoy.

I'll turn it off when companies stop reading my email, and raiding my history in an attempt to sell me something.

If banks weren't so annoying with needing a hundred different documents (my mother changed the spelling her of her first name in the early 90's) to open one for a minor, I would totally love to donate. *Envies bank account holders of minors*

Reason, all a pro-account does is give you the option to turn off advertising. That's it. So the product being offered here in exchange for money is not a service, but rather an advertising option. You get the same YWS whether you choose to turn off advertising or not. In fact, as Disk pointed out, it's equivalent to surfing YWS with an ad-blocker on.

I understand your complaints, and I sympathize with them. There are a lot of bugs on YWS, and I've put in a lot of sleepless nights recently in fixing them. But let's be honest; YWS is a homebrew project. It's not a professional site, and I've long ago given up any hope of turning it into a professional site. There's always been bugs, and there's always been half-finished parts of the site. But I can assure you that I will continue to maintain this site, and gradually keep making it better.

Unfortunately, though, I have bills to be paid. For the first two weeks of March, I was in Tanzania. That meant that when I got back, I had a boat-load of work to do. When you have a job that requires your physical presence, the work just doesn't disappear when you take a vacation. It piles up. And like it or not, that work does take precedence over YWS. Otherwise, I'd be homeless.

In any case, I definitely understand when people wish YWS were more professionally run. But, that's just not going to happen; there are practical realities keeping that from happening. If you're unhappy with the way YWS is run, then just start your own site or join another site. The Internet is the ultimate free-market economy after all.

Reason & Kyllorac ->> If you're unhappy with the free service provided by YWS, then you are welcome to go elsewhere.

I never said any such thing, and I'd ask you to kindly refrain from assuming my feelings on any matter.

With that said, I would like to echo reason's feelings on this:

I don't know how I feel about being told to leave YWS if I'm unhappy. That's quite strange to hear from the creator. I reiterate, I am merely stating my concerns because I do like YWS. Granted, I will take your suggestion under advisement. If the owner of a site brings up the option to leave, I should probably wonder why that is.

reason wrote: I'm stipulating that "advertising option" is nothing more than a service. Yes, one can get an ad-blocker -there's always alternative methods to avoid paying for a service.

You're not paying for a service. You're paying because YWS is awesome! Running a website is expensive. Why should Nate have to maintain the site by himself *and* pay for it? This is just an optional way to relieve some of the financial burden off of Nate.

Don't look as the no-adds as a service, but as a gift. His 'thank you card' for donating. I think you complaining about it is ridiculous-- that's like "Okay mom, I know you work really hard to do nice things for me, so I'm going to buy you a bottle of lavender lotion...WHAT KIND OF THANK YOU CARD IS THAT? You didn't even bother to buy me card? You made it by hand?"

He could give you nothing.

I give up.