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Mon Apr 02, 2012 1:39 pm
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TFawley96 says...



Can you imagine killing a little baby? There are non hospital facilities that are performing 400 or more abortions a year. Each year more than three million women in the United States experience an unplanned pregnancy, about half these women (1.5 million) obtain an abortion; many more women consider the option of abortion instead of adoption. I think it is just wrong that people would kill a little baby that they don’t want if it was their fault.
The first reason is if everyone wore condoms, these pregnancies wouldn’t happen; I think you shouldn’t have sex if you don’t want a baby, so you shouldn’t kill it if it was your fault. Jon Carroll said “If all young lads wore condoms, what a peaceful world it would be. But they don’t.” This would be important because this quote goes with my opinion really well, and I agree with what Jon Carroll said.
Another reason is I think it is just wrong that you would kill your own little baby. Jon Carroll said “Individual women who use an effective method of contraception simply are much less likely to face an unintended pregnancy and the decision of whether to have an abortion than women who do not.” This would be important because this means fewer abortions.
Some people might disagree with abortion because if they couldn’t take care of the baby or had a hard life, or just didn’t want the baby. But if you couldn’t take care of the baby or had a hard life, you could put it up for adoption instead of killing it; they have as much right to be in this world as you. Jon Carroll said “And then we have children who often can’t be supported or nurtured”, so you could just put it up for adoption instead of abortion!
So I think abortion should be illegal, so use adoption instead of abortion. I think this because it’s not right that you can kill another human life if it was your all fault; or if you don’t even want a baby, and again Jon Carroll said “If all young lads wore condoms, what a peaceful world it would be. But they don’t.” So think adoption not abortion!




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Mon Apr 02, 2012 3:46 pm
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Satan says...



Adoption is an alternative to raising a child; not childbirth.

Sometimes condoms break, sometimes birth control doesn't work, etcetera, etcetera.
Accidents happen, and a lot of women don't want to go through childbirth, and sometimes it would even be harmful to their health, as well, if they went through with it.

It's a woman's choice, not to mention her right, to get an abortion if she wants to.

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Sandvich says...



I agree with Satan.
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Pigeon says...



So I think abortion should be illegal

Making abortion illegal does not stop it from happening. All it does is make the methods of abortion much more dangerous for women, since the people performing illegal abortions are not necessarily qualified doctors. So not only are foetuses still aborted when abortion is illegal, many women are also killed or injured.
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Prism says...



Abortion stops unwanted children from entering the world, which I can only interpret as a mercy.
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amit28it says...



In my opinion adoption is a very good thing and abortion is considered as a crime in many countries,So adopt and do not abort, This should be our aim.




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Satan says...



amit28it wrote:So adopt and do not abort, This should be our aim.


Again, adoption is an alternative to raising a child, not childbirth.
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OverEasy says...



There is already a topic for abortion debate guys, let's try not to create threads that already exist. If you wish to promote your own views on abortion or adoption, I suggest doing it there, or if you really wish to you can also blog about it!
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Azzy says...



Adoption is a good solution for many people and that's great for them but it's not a solution for everyone.
Abortion is done while the fetus still has no brain. People eat things that have brains. People eat brains.
You cannot seriously tell me that a cluster of cells is more meaningful than life of something with a brain.
I believe in the parents' right to choose. It is not convenient for a lot of people to give up their lives to raise a child. It could mess up their high school career, it could cause family drama, it could do anything and it is not our job to stop people from wrecking their lives for something that has no feelings.




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Abortion is done while the fetus still has no brain. People eat things that have brains. People eat brains.


Not always. Depending on the time the abortion takes place, the fetus can have an entire nervous system and a beating heart. Abortions can actually be painful deaths for the fetuses, believe it or not.

Views vary from person to person: some people believe abortion is the destruction of a soul, not just a cluster of cells. Animals are generally viewed differently than humans (unless you are Hindu, which teaches that all living things are of God and have spiritual significance.)

It could mess up their high school career, it could cause family drama, it could do anything and it is not our job to stop people from wrecking their lives for something that has no feelings.


I would like to call this irresponsibility. If you absolutely do not want a child in high school, you shouldn't be having sex. It's an easy fix.

Though I have somewhat of a conservative view of abortion, (I do believe it is killing a baby) I think we need to be understanding of the mothers. So… for me, it’s not an easy “yes or no” question. Abortion is a tricky topic for me, and for a lot of people. There’s no easy answer.




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Azzy says...



HaydenSmith wrote:Depending on the time the abortion takes place


Yes, depending on if it's done when it's legal or outside of that.




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LowKey says...



No one likes abortion.

No one wants to kill babies, or the potential for them.

No one is pro-abortion. Some people are pro-choice. That's all it is. It's people saying, "I don't like it, and I wouldn't ever want to have it myself, but I think the option should be available to people who need it."

Cases such as:

The fetus is killing the mother. Still dependent upon her womb for survival, but it's killing her. If you keep the fetus, it will kill the mother before it could be a viable birth. It's a choice between killing one and killing both. Neither is good, but one is the lesser of the two evils.

Rape. Incest. Cases where the "mother" is only 12 years old and is neither capable of understanding the risks of sex (assuming she consented to it) nor what it would take to be a mother. Childbirth could also be very dangerous for her. She could probably survive it, but her body has not fully developed yet and as a result is at a much higher risk for complications. True, she shouldn't be having sex, but do you really think childbirth is a suitable punishment?

Mother has a health condition that would make delivering a child a death sentence.

Mother has a condition that needs immediate treatment, but the treatment would kill the life inside her. If it's before the viable birth point, it's the same situation as above. Do you kill one, or do you kill both?

Baby has nothing but a brain stem. They live at most a handful of minutes outside the womb, each minute spent in excruciating pain that, because it's lacking a brain, it has no way of rationalizing. Some parents in this situation choose to carry to term to donate their child's organs to other babies who need them, so that at least something good will have come of it. No one should blame them if they choose to terminate before their child needs to experience that, though. There is no right decision here. Those who carry to term and go through labor to donate the organs are amazing people, but it's wrong to expect that of everyone.

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For me, I *really* do not like abortion. It's a touchy topic for me. If I ever needed to have one, for whatever reason, even the idea twists my gut into knots. I would not want to have it. If it was one of the situations above, it would still be a really hard call for me to make, even though logically I know the best option in some of them is to go for the abortion. I'd probably do it, but yeesh. Still, just because *I* don't like it, doesn't mean it's right for me to take away other's option to it, especially in cases where they might need it.
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Pom says...



I understand your point of view, but, in my opinion, it is somewhat short-sighted.

First, let's make one thing very clear that erases much of your argument:
A condom does NOT guarantee 100% safety against STD's or pregnancy ( As it says so on the package. ) You could still wear a condom and it could rupture, for example.

I also think this problem might come from the taboo of talking about sex, and I probably think this would be mostly so in religious circles.

It is also very easy to comment on this topic when people arguing did not experience an unwanted pregnancy themselves.

It is not just that you become pregnant, it will take up your life for the next 9 months. Especially for younger girls, there will be a whole lot of psychological issues involved. People will see you are pregnant, they will talk about you, your body changes etc. If you keep it, and give it up for adoption, you will always know that your child is still walking around somewhere. What if it comes looking for you, and you have reorganized your life and have (new) children of your own, a family, one that does not know about your past..

But what it basically comes down to is this:

Do you want to take away free will and choice from someone? And if that applies here, then where else will that apply?

I would not like for humanity to go back to the middle ages. I think people should be in control of their own bodies, for better, and in some cases, for worse.

I also think this response sums it up perfectly:

LowKey wrote:No one is pro-abortion. Some people are pro-choice. That's all it is. It's people saying, "I don't like it, and I wouldn't ever want to have it myself, but I think the option should be available to people who need it."


I just never understood the need for people to want to control each and every aspects of the life of someone else.




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charcoalspacewolfman says...



I really want to address one thing. Well, maybe two.
First thing, yes, pregnancy and childbirth can threaten a mother's health. In a woman who does not have any health complications that would be exacerbated by childbirth, however, it is actually healthier to carry the child to term. Abortion messes up the body and increases the risk of such things as, say, breast cancer (which is why the Komen foundation dropped Planned Parenthood).
Also, with regards to personal choice (and, again, I'm talking about the pregnancies that are simply unwanted, and where you have an actual choice that is not life-and-death for the mother), nobody is asking the fetus' opinion here, we're just going on the will of the mother. The very selfish and irresponsible will, in my opinion. In these cases, I agree that adoption is a much much better choice.
When you've got a life-and-death situation for the mother, I think it really is more up to the mother and/or father whether they should go through with the pregnancy or not. And if the baby's dead, such as miscarriage, well, there's no longer really an issue.
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Satan says...



nobody is asking the fetus' opinion here, we're just going on the will of the mother.


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At the time when an abortion is legal, the fetus wouldn't even be sentient. It wouldn't have opinions, let alone be able to have them.

In a woman who does not have any health complications that would be exacerbated by childbirth, however, it is actually healthier to carry the child to term. Abortion messes up the body and increases the risk of such things as, say, breast cancer (which is why the Komen foundation dropped Planned Parenthood).


Which is why it's entirely a choice. A woman shouldn't be persuaded to have an abortion just as much as she shouldn't be persuaded to not have one.

Abortion should be available to anyone who wants it (during the first three months of pregnancy, of course. After that, it's illegal, and at that point a fetus actually would feel pain), because the fetus really does not have a say in it at all, and neither does anyone but the woman.
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