The only problem I would ever have with long chapters is if they impose too much information on the reader. I like starting simple, then working up to greater complexity, rather than starting in a complex plethora of characters and being expected to stomach all of it from the start.
I believe that is just something to complain about, some people just want to find anything wrong with a post in order to criticise it, it is the same with spelling where you get those who just do that to provoke an argument.Because of both of these, the terms "TL;DR" and "grammer nazi" are used frequently on the internet.
When I find myself reviewing a chapter of a novel on this site and everyone complains about it being too long and how they don't have time to read it or can't save their spot...Why don't they just open a new tab? That way their spot is saved and they can continue to surf the web and come back to the chapter later!
If they are going to complain then maybe just maybe they just like to complain and be miserable? Maybe they are dieing for attention? Or maybe they want to sound superior and sound like they they have a higher intellectual grasp on the subject? I don't know :/ But it is not only a waste of their time, but a waste of the writers time as they can learn nothing from the review.
freewritersavvy wrote: "It should sound like this________ because that is what I like better." or "It was too long so I only read half of it and here is my opinion on your whole story." or "I don't like it when your character did ___________."
"It should sound like this________ because that is what I like better." or "It was too long so I only read half of it and here is my opinion on your whole story." or "I don't like it when your character did ___________."
Mongererofspoons wrote:freewritersavvy wrote: "It should sound like this________ because that is what I like better." or "It was too long so I only read half of it and here is my opinion on your whole story." or "I don't like it when your character did ___________." I hate those people, i mean seriously, why review something you have not even fully read? And another thing, this site is about helping others with their stories, they can do what they want!/Rant, just had to throw that out there
"It was too long so I only read half of it and here is my opinion on your whole story."
"It was too long so I only read half of it and here is my opinion on your whole story."Hold it. Since WHEN is this considered "imposing your opinions on a work"?
When a reviewer says a work was long, they have a reason to say this. Have you ever noticed how when a work isn't that good, everything feels like it's dragging, and when a work is good you don't notice how long it is? Have you ever thought that maybe, just maybe, people are saying "it's long" because they started reading and they lost interest because there was no reason to keep reading— which would be the author's fault? Or what about if the reviewer still does a long critique? Is that because they were lazy in reading, or did they simply get enough content for a full review from just what they read?
We're editors. Not readers. The difference between the two is: readers simply read for pleasure; editors go in with the intent to review. They want something that'll grab their attention quickly and hold it. If it starts dragging, they either click the back button, or, if they're feeling nice, go in and say what needs improvement to make it feel less long.
They're not teenagers with short attention spans and just looking for things to complain about. Saying "this is too long" is one way of saying "you need to be really interesting to post something that long, and right now you're not doing a very good job." Don't discount their advice just because you think they're lazy. The fact they didn't click away and actually spent the time to tell you how you can get more reviews and improve your story proves they are not.
And another thing about the publishing industry: Did you know that editors, to get through the number of manuscripts on their desk, will only read as far into a work as they are interested? Most of the time, this means just the opening paragraph or the first half of page one. If at any point it feels long or loses their attention, they slip it right back in the envelope with a slip of rejection.Do you know how many pieces there are on YWS that need reviews? A lot. It's not really practical to dedicate all your time to one piece. And reviews make YWS run. Because of this, YWSers are more akin to editors than readers. Only, instead of rejecting a work, they take the time to make the work better so editors are less likely to reject it down the line.
So next time you get a review saying it's too long, look at their advice. Look at the pace of your story. Is there a reason besides a wall of text for readers to be saying "it's long"? And really look at the work. Don't just assume all readers will be so dedicated to your work they'll read all of it. Harsh reality: they're not. They're just looking through stories for something that catches their attention or is in need of reviews. Pat yourself on the back you got their attention enough for them to review in the first place.Now start looking past who you think your reviewer is and turn them into editors. Your audience. Why are they not reading? It's probably not just because of length.
Your sarcasm is not appreciated. Kindly tone it down and accept the posts in this thread for what they are: honest opinions. You are not winning any supporters by ridiculing and disparaging those who have different opinions than yours.
Keep your expectations realistic, and you'll have a much more fruitful and satisfying experience on the site.
Kyllorac wrote:Your sarcasm is not appreciated. Kindly tone it down and accept the posts in this thread for what they are: honest opinions. You are not winning any supporters by ridiculing and disparaging those who have different opinions than yours.That said, I agree with Rosey that there is merit to those reviews that point out that a piece was too long. They aren't the nicest reviews to receive, but if you can set aside your emotions, they enable you to go through your work again and pick out the sections that make it drag. I have yet to see a reviewer who went through the effort of writing a rather extensive review that says "I had to stop reading this" NOT explain why they couldn't finish reading the entire piece; odds are, they pointed out exactly why they felt the piece was too long, but you may have missed it on first read-through of their review.As far as rereading is concerned, the quote you took was from a poetry site. Reviewing poetry and reviewing prose are quite different: Poetry tends to be much more condensed and constructed with allusions and symbolism. In order to adequately review a poem, rereading is an absolute must as poetry reviews involve analysis.In sharp contrast, prose tends to be longer, much longer in the case of novels, and rereading a work multiple times is simply not always feasible. Considering the backgrounds of most members and that most novels on here are never completed, a novel must be absolutely excellent to warrant a rereading, much less a rereading for the purposes of reviewing. In addition, many of the members here are young, meaning they may not yet have learned how to articulate what they want to say as clearly as you might like.Keep your expectations realistic, and you'll have a much more fruitful and satisfying experience on the site.
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