I have no problem with them as a person, really, I just don't want to see gay marrige passed. Marrige is just too special in my eyes.
skwmusic wrote:Divorce rates are sky high. Economic downturn puts lots of stress on families today, you have celebrity marriages being run to the mouth like diarrhea after a night of Thai food, and then they get divorced in half the time the celebrities announce their marriages. Kim Kardashian made $17 million off her marriage. In fact there are countries like Germany and Denmark who have legalized gay marriage, and have lower divorce rates than the US. Of course it is important to point out that correlation does not lead to causation, but at the very least you can conclude that marriage is not being harmed by gays, unless somehow a gay getting married is the total abomination of the "institution" of marriage.
That's just what the world has done to marrige, and adding gays to the picture is going to bring it down even further.
Pigeon, I'm curious to know what you're talking about. Yes, the people in the bible had cocubines, and I don't consider that right. But the bible isn't something I take word-for-word because it's not perfect. The bible also says Mary was a prositute, and I don't believe that. Evil men (the same evil men that killed Christians after Christ died) did so much to it and you can't claim it as completely true.
And where does it mention sex slaves? I've never heard of this.
Women very much did have a say if you found the right guy.
It won't affect my marrige personally, but it will effect marrige as a whole.
I agree that church and state are seperate, but I stand by what I say about marrige and from personal experience life is so much easier for us when we're all on the same page with our laws.
So you choose to disbelieve that Mary was a prostitute, and to believe that homosexuality is wrong? What criteria are you using to make these judgements?
Servants were property in those times. Jacob slept with his wives maids and had children by them. Abraham did the same thing. I never said God gave some kind of divine approval for abuse, I was just pointing out that biblical marriage is no gold standard, and that there hasn't been 'moral decay' from some perfect time, marriage has always been messed up.
Women were the property of their fathers, and through marriage they became the property of their husbands. Husbands didn't require a woman's consent for sex, because the woman belonged to them.
In that case you may want to switch sides so we can all be on the same page. Marriage equality will happen, it's just a matter of when. Like you said, it'd be so much easier if we were all on the same page.
As I said before, marrige is a very important thing.
In fact there are countries like Germany and Denmark who have legalized gay marriage, and have lower divorce rates than the US.
You are following your faith because YOU believe it. No one is taking that away from you, are they? So why do you take rights away based on YOUR beliefs?
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