I'm indifferent to it. I mean, good for them for doing something to raise awareness, but ehhh... I mean, I don't see the huge problem. No matter how much money people have, we all end up dead. What's the huge deal. You don't need a ton of money to be happy, work with what you've got. I hope I don't sound like an idiot, I'm not overly familiar with OWS, but I think that same thing I said would apply.
Lumi wrote:Unless people stop camping out in city streets and propose solutions to the problem, then I don't think anyone supporting or taking part in OWS is really thinking critically. I'm with Snoink. The people have a point, and I feel for them. I've been hunting a job for the past year in different venues while in and out of college, and there's nothing, even in the minimum wage pool. But you don't see me grabbing my buddies and protesting in Atlanta. So until one of these protests turns into "look at how we can fix this", they're pointless. Just giving a bigger venue to antagonize wealthy people and policemen. I mean, really. I'm convinced at this point that the bulk of the jobless middle class will do anything to get a pair of devil horns drawn on Capitol Hill. Anyway, it'd be interesting to see the demographic of college majors that's present in the OWS mobs. I doubt you'd find many engineering/biochem/pre-pharmacy folks in the lot. English majors, psych majors...things that America has no job market for. There's a context to be understood about society that I don't think a lot of ambitious folks get. And it's a huge fulcrum shift in the job market. Yeah, it sucks, but it doesn't have to suck if you have the right gear under your belt.
So until one of these protests turns into "look at how we can fix this", they're pointless. Just giving a bigger venue to antagonize wealthy people and policemen.
Kamas, you're better than this.
Jas wrote:Maybe when OWS figures out what they even want, I'd support them. At this point, all they're doing is being a nuisance.
I said it's not as prominent as what they disagree with. Of course they want things. End the wars, stop the austerity measures, etc.There's already been legislation introduced thanks to them. Legislation to overturn the Citizens United ruling. It would even deny corporations personhood. Moreover, they have changed the national discussion. You can't be a defeatist. Things do change and can again.
Don't go back and say that to movement has direction, or ground. Any sort of decision on what they truly stand for it going to turn OWS into a horrifically socialist political party that will only be supported by public funding they've proposed an amendment for.
tr3x wrote:Like I said before, I think the only way they can really institute change is if they are the change. Call me naive, but would it be possible for the protesters to form an actual, structured political party with an agenda? It seems like they aren't going far enough with this; how about getting some large national organisation - the ACLU, the big unions - to fund a campaign? I understand that they want to be decentralized and leaderless, but it looks like it works against them in this instance.
OWS is going up against powerful and well-entrenched corporate interests, and turning themselves in something political in which they have to define their specific interests is going to divide OWS and stunt this "awareness raising" with a further mess and laughable presentations at the television. Turning into some political party would be a joke, it would demolish everything OWS has made concrete and only further my distaste for the movement.
What exactly has OWS made concrete?
So isn't the only way to make legitimate demands and act for change through actual political power? Wouldn't an organized political party with an actual agenda be able to make it's demands much clearer? If you have smart, informed people who know what they're talking about leading such a movement, doesn't it become more than 'them dang hippies stirring up trouble?
Kamas wrote:No Tr3x, considering unions are nearly dead. (The latest figure stands at 11.9%, of American workers) it seems silly to appeal to a dying breed.And inkwell, don't vulgarize my words. I'm far from afraid of this movement, as I said it's hard to take it seriously with the movement put parallel to faces and words like these. Let them combine with the Tea Party and eat their cake and guillotine their Mary Antoinette.
tr3x wrote:Do you think change is unnecessary or impossible?
Sorry, I got the impression that you're horrified.
Anyway: that video, as said before, is not representative, and just goes to show that there's nothing behind what you're saying. Guillotines for the corporations. They are people after all! :p
I agree with you for now, but somewhere down the line it will politicize directly or indirectly.
Kamas wrote:Sorry, I got the impression that you're horrified.Oo, sharp. Anyway: that video, as said before, is not representative, and just goes to show that there's nothing behind what you're saying. Guillotines for the corporations. They are people after all! :pIt may not be representative of certain core beliefs, but many people like this guy are smothering the movement. Corrupting it with freeloader ideologies (slightly ironic I find). OWS is becoming a double faced movement, the one of varying legitimate loud concerns without much proposals for action (whether I care about those concerns in the first is another question), and one of people who don't know what they're saying, what they want, etc.I agree with you for now, but somewhere down the line it will politicize directly or indirectly. When it does, it'll make a mess out of OWS.
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