For dairy, the situation is much worse, particularly here in Australia. The image of cows wondering around in pastures isn't necessarily what goes on in most dairy farms. Whilst it is true that after having a calf, cows will continue to produce milk, but did you know that to get dairy cows to give enough milk for it to be financially awesome, they make them have a number of calves. When the calf is born, it is taken away from its mother much too soon, and it causes the cow great distress (they also usually kill the calves).Anyway, the point is, a lot of practices border on cruelty, and I can't in good conscience buy in to those kinds of practices. Not all Vegans are Vegan for those reasons, but it's fairly common.
Fizz wrote:I completely understand vegetarianism, but can someone explain to me why they would want to be vegan? I don't get how the use of milk and eggs, for instance, harms animals or how not eating them is healthier? I'm not against it or anything, I just don't understand the reasons for it.Well, Attolia, the reason I was a vegan (so I'm only speaking for myself here) was because I don't agree with the practices of the Dairy industry, or the Egg industry. The standards for how animals are treated in egg farms and dairy farms vary worldwide, but for the most part, a lot of cruelty goes on in these industries. As I'm sure you're aware, some chickens are kept in spaces too small for them to even spread their wings completely, and they develop horrible sores all over their body because of the fumes of the droppings that are never cleaned off the floor. There are a number of different labels eggs can get to tell consumers that their product is more animal friendly such as 'Free-Range' or 'Organic'. If eggs are certified free range it means that they are given a certain amount of space to roam around in, and organic refers to the foods that they are given and so on. I do eat eggs, but only organic and free-range eggs. The point is, that even in most organic and free-range farms the conditions aren't ideal.For dairy, the situation is much worse, particularly here in Australia.
I completely understand vegetarianism, but can someone explain to me why they would want to be vegan? I don't get how the use of milk and eggs, for instance, harms animals or how not eating them is healthier? I'm not against it or anything, I just don't understand the reasons for it.
I have nothing against vegetarians or vegans, though I am not one myself. I am really not fussy on what food I eat, and I don't wish to convert to vegetarianism. However, what I really do dislike are fanatical vegetarians, who moan and whine and preach about meat. Luckily there are none on this site, but I have two vegetarians in mind. One of them preached it with song, and the other did something that would stretch hypocrisy to a new level.The first person is Morrissey who is singer of The Smiths. He refuses to perform when people eat, smell or buy meat at one of the band's gigs. He is very corporal, and very much a hypocrite, considering how he personally feels that Margaret Thatcher was corporal. My favourite album by The Smiths is called Meat Is Murder. I love every song, except the title track. Here, Morrissey gets melodramatic and gets very preachy. As I said, luckily we have no anti-meat fanatics.
The second person who distances myself from vegetarianism is Adolf Hitler. Hitler himself was a vegetarian and while this may not have much to do with the general discussion, to commit your lifestyle that a bloodthirsty tyrant used is very very awkward and very very uncomfortable.
BadlyDrawnLightning wrote:I just don't really like vegetarians with a "holier-than-thou" attitude.If you're against animal cruelty, that's fine.If you're allergic, or it makes you feel ill, that's fine.If it's against your religion or your culture, that's fine.Just don't come to me and say you're better than I am because you've never eaten bacon.
AhmadBlues wrote:What about plants?
Pigeon3 wrote:It takes far more plants to feed a cow to get beef than it does to simply eat the plants in the first place. Cows hooves compact soil, making it less able to be used for other purposes.
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