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Fri Apr 08, 2011 4:29 am
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tr3x says...



The Arab Spring movement has been on for over a month now, and casualties have run into the thousands. We have a combination of brutal dictators, rebel movements, foreign airstrikes, terrorist funded rebellions and civil war in these countries, and the end result is that normal people are dying. It has recently come to light that Muammer Gaddafi is willing to order a ceasefire and stop the violence in exchange everyone letting him go. Basically, he will get of scott free, with the blood of thousands of people on his hands; he will still be in possession of all his assets, and he will be able to settle wherever he wants. On the other hand, thousands of innocent lives might be saved. Is it a fair trade, or is it giving dictators a loophole to escape through?
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Si non confectus, non recifiat - If it ain't broken, don't fix it.




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Fri Apr 08, 2011 8:32 pm
MeanMrMustard says...



Not our decisions to make. Let the people of the countries decide. If they want aide and to oust a dictator, let them. Hard to do of course on your own against an army and you are unorganized. But the problem is if the world pushed these people out, what stops someone even worse from taking power? This reality is always considered.




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Fri Apr 08, 2011 10:23 pm
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In a situation like Libya it is our (Western Democracies) decision to make, because not only are we aiding the rebels, but the International Criminal Court has deemed these dictators guilty of gross human rights offences, meaning that he is prosecutable anywhere in the world. If Gaddafi wanted to migrate to and settle in the United States in exchange for stopping the civil war in Libya, should we allow him? That's the real crux of this debate.
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Sat Apr 09, 2011 2:42 am
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That isn't the point though. This debate itself misses the history of the country and the region. How do the people of Libya get legitimate self-rule without a despot at the top? Look at history, how often does violent revolution end in a successful overthrow of the establishment? And in this occasion the West is picking a side. The standard created is one that is timeless, empires or groups of power acting in cohesion beyond their reach, and leaves the West to continuously step in on each occasion they find a "dictator". Where is the ability of a nation to rise up and establish itself? Long term stability is not created by just pressing a "reset button" and letting a dictator walk free; look at Napoleon. Will Libya have a government in place that represents the citizens? How often does the rest of the West just walk in?




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Sun Apr 10, 2011 8:45 pm
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Do you mean to say that to establish a democracy, the Lib'yans have to fight their own battles? IS the legitimacy of power more important than an end to the direct consequences of the struggle? Long term stability and representation of the people are high and mighty ideals, but they can only be established once the country has achieved some sort of equilibrium, which in turn can only be achieved if the civil war is ended, and the war will end faster if you succumb to the dictator's demands.
A lie can run around the world before the truth has got its boots on.
- Terry Pratchett

Si non confectus, non recifiat - If it ain't broken, don't fix it.