you do realise your defending a country that's committed war crimes
that's been formed because of the guilt of a few countries
go on you tube and you can find hundred of videos showing act of brutality committed by the Israels and the only reason that they get away with it is because America doesn't have the balls to say, "Israel you fucking stop that or were going to invade you ass".
I honestly can't wait until the day of reckoning when Israel starts to get destroyed by it's neighbours because I guarantee you the first thing they will do is start to shoot civilians or blow them up.
By the way most of the people on this site are dumb Americans that have a bias few from watching the news channels in your country I mean really fox and NBC are unbelievable whenever I go to your country I can actually feel my IQ dropping. What I'm trying to get at is that most of you don't really have a clue what your on about.
not you Rubric you made some good points sort of, well not really but your australian which makes you cool.
The only way to sort the problems in the Middle-East is to give Palestine a homeland, one with East-Jerusalem as its capital and one which complies with the 1967 borders. In an ideal world, if that happened, Hamas, Ahmedinejad, Hezbollah, The Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt - all these organisations would cease to exist and Israel will finally have the peace it so desperately desires. However, in the real world, in today's world, this will never happen because the creation of a Palestinian state doesn't comply with the Zionist agenda.
Let's talk about Gaza. People were willing to slam Israel for the 2009 Operation Cast Lead as an offensive against innocent civilians. They failed to point out, however, that for years Hamas has been launching rockets at nearby Israeli towns and cities, notably Sderot and Ashdod. Israel could not be expected to stand by while its civilians were attacked
Israel did its very best to keep from harming the innocent
Overall, the point here is that Israel extended a hand of peace and gave Palestinians land--and looked what happened. They displaced hundreds of Israeli civilians with terrorist groups whose goal is to bomb Israel off the map.
As for Iran--Iran is a major root in the problems in the Middle East. Iran gives weapons to terrorist organizations, has openly denied the Holocaust and claimed it wants to wipe Israel off the map, and now it has nukes. Talking with them won't help, at least not with the current leadership.
the only reason Hamas has support is because Palastinian attempts at talks to try and get their point of view across have repeatedly failed.
Israel's strategy seems to be massive overreaction to a relatively small threat.
This means that Gaza is unable to have a functioning economy, and so the people making money out of the blockade are the Hamas members who control the system of tunnels through which goods are smuggled. Israel's policy gives power and influence to Hamas and weakens the ordinary Palestinian people.
Is okay for powerful western countries to have them but not other countries? On the other hand, Iran is a much more dangerous and volatile country, with questionable leadership.
Well, I think talking should always be tried, because generally the alternatives are either nothing being done to sort out the problem, or the problem being solved by military means.
Blift wrote:*Kicks Attolia*You know nothing about this topic. so just go to bed.
Griffinkeeper wrote:It has done so, all while being surrounded by neighbors which have been hostile since the very beginning. I think that, in terms of working the land and fighting for it, the Israelis have earned the right to their land, by right of conquest. Like it or not, Israel is there to stay and they're willing to fight to stay. Israel has plenty of real power, economic and military, which is why they've lasted as long as they have. (In addition to the support of the US Government.)
Palestine wants to be an independent state; but in reality it is completely dependent on Israel for pretty much everything. In terms of real power, Palestine has none. Without the monetary aid being provided to it by the UN, the Palestinian Authority would collapse. All of their power is controlled by Israel, they have few natural resources, and Israel has a large degree of control over what enters the PA. The smart solution would be if the PA and Israel were to merge, with the Palestinians getting full Israeli citizenship. This would move away from a state established on the basis of ethnicity (be it Jewish or Arab) and more towards a true democratic state. I think this would be better than trying to make a state from scratch and I think it would lead to more collaboration between the Jews and Arabs. It wouldn't happen overnight and it would take a long time for people to forget the hate.
England and American had no right to create a nation in that way.
Furthermore, Israel does some heinous and horrible things to its neighbors. Just recently, they've been trying to eliminate Bedouin culture by co-opting their ancestral lands for development, putting the Bedouin people in "temporary" housing, and essentially forcing them to become culturally Israeli, just because they feel they have the right to, and they want the tax money. I have no sympathy for that, what so ever. No nation gets to behave this way, not even Israel. They aren't special, and I think they need to be called out on this more often by their allies, the US included.
What a lot of Westerners don't seem to grasp about the Middle East is that there is less separation between religion and daily life, and more connection to one's ethnicity than we have. In America and the UK, we don't see the issue this way, because we've been "melting pot" nations for centuries. Politically speaking, the conflict arises from the fear that if the government is dominated by one ethnicity/religion or the other, the minority group will suffer for it. This is not an entirely paranoid fear; it does have some truth to it. To me, it would seem that to avoid that it would behoove them to set down that there cannot be a majority of one group or the other, and while this might lead to initial deadlocking, it would eventually force them to work together if they wanted anything to ever get done.
Griffinkeeper wrote:Another option is to throw the people into a melting pot, so that instead of an us vs. them mentality, they get get a we mentality. Religious oppression exists when religion is how people define themselves. Racial discrimination exists when people are defined by their race.The melting pot is perfect. It takes all the positive traits from all the groups, so that the individuals in the pot can appreciate the strengths of the other individuals in the pot. America takes the various ethnicities and religions and removes those as the primary means of identification. Instead, these things are replaced with a single title: American.Israel is trying a similar tactic with the Bedouins. The question is this though: are they trying to assimilate the Bedouin culture into their own? Or are they merely seeking to destroy that culture, without gaining anything useful from it? One is a merger, the other an assimilation. I support a merger, not an assimilation.
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