Rei wrote:Who says they need to understand the whys? Even babies understand cause and effect. Why else would they keep crying when they are hungry or need to be changed? They know that if they cry mommy will feed or change them. Bring it to their level so they understand instead of trying to bring them to your level.
khfan890 wrote:People are just big babies with their kids today.
Parents who hit their kids that I have observed don't use effective non-violent body language.
Even if I was allowed to hit my students, I wouldn't. When it comes to the kids being violent, find out the reasons they hit the other kids. The student I spend most of my time with used to shove kids all the time because they wouldn't share a toy with him or because he had a toy that they wanted. I didn't even tell him that you shouldn't shove kids to get them to share. I told him how to ask for a turn politely and that if the other kids wouldn't share that he should come to me.
a child who doesn't understand cause and effect will understand the more direct physical punishment--not necessarily pain
I have never heard of someone spanking their child for not sharing a toy, Rei. You're constructing straw mans to support your point. I was only spanked as a child when I did something very, very bad--lying, being belligerent, hurting someone/thing, etc.
I'm also saying you're not punishing wrong-doers, who will only fear doing wrong when an adult is present--and later, when they themselves are adults, then who will they fear?
Gives them a chance to correct their behavoir, and if it continues, consequences.
Galatea wrote: Also, not a fallacy, but sarcasm is absolutely inappropriate on these boards, especially used to (usually) incorrectly represent an opposite point of view. For example: I'm a smelly republican! I love war and I love Jesus! I don't need to think for myself because the government does it for me! War is awesome! Poor people are lazy! Etc. etc.
So from now on I'll reinforce every piece of advice with a spank, a smack; or perhaps go with Volant's charming idea and burn him with boiling water.
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