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Antigone Cadmus says...



^^ A chauvinist is a male supremacist.
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~Excalibur~ says...



Yes shape is definitely an issue, but image and style are far more offending factors. Thongs are designed simply so that girls do not have the faint outline of panties show up against their pants. Which leads me to the conclusion that style is everything and practicality is far from the list.

Typically in guys pants we have the left pocket be large and the right pocket having one large pocket and a smaller 'watch' pocket close to the hip. I am wondering if this is the 'condom' pocket you talked about Snoink.


A minor correction here from the dictionary.
As for Chauvinistic it does not mean male supremacist, it is in fact:

1. zealous and aggressive patriotism or blind enthusiasm for military glory.
2. biased devotion to any group, attitude, or cause.

Origin being the loud-mouthed Chauvin in Napoleon's army. Male Chauvinism is a lazy composite made in the late 60's which is biased towards men. I really don't see how 'supremacist' fits in because most men do not want to tie down women and proceed to rape, sell and use them for child bearing and hard labor. Men as a whole are better off, but intelligent men (read mature adults) don't actively seek the enslavement of women in any shape or form.


Style and the consumer is entirely to blame on this. Fashion is a cruel tool to get fragile or emotionally dependent women to constantly meet some expectation as proclaimed by the rest of society. Boys are fairly resistant to this and as long as the item does not come across as being 'gay' or 'ladies' items they won't get too much flak for it unless they are actively part of some group which cares about clothing fashion choices.

Lot of hate in this topic, but the issue is really one that follows the simple pattern of giving an inch here and there and then you eventually travel a mile. Women's clothing has basically been two things, utility and fashion. The moment utility was not needed it has been fashion dominated ever since. Guys clothing has been utility over fashion and thus change is slow and fashion is slow.

Example:

Men's work clothes. Simple, durable and often meant to take lots of abuse and stress. Heavy denim being a perfect model, it embodies a working man and became fashionable because of it.
Men's suits. Fashionable and plain, clothes make the man. Apparently men, especially powerful men, long ago came to the conclusion that black best portrayed his form and let others focus on him and the powerful image it projects.

Women's work clothes. Not too many of these types, but slacks and the sort were always closely tied that to men's. Strong and simple.
Women's fashion. Changes with the season and what is fashionable changes with several designers and millions of consumers rushing to buy whatever junk they throw out to appear attractive.

Key difference is the fashion industry thriving on the sensitivity and plain cruelty of women to one another. It feeds upon itself and creates large profits by doing so. Sadly, women are as responsible as the designers who make the stuff. The blame rests entirely with the culture that is dependent on fleeting image. Sex being a great selling point. Same as it is for men, we get it an entirely different ways.
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indigochild1991 says...



I see your point when you say this. I am an open feminist, and think that far too much of our world is dominated by males. Your idea has led me off into my own little slant, about our attitudes.

Here in the UK, an ad was made a while back about shredded wheat, the cereal. On one ad, a man spoke of how good it was as it kept his heart healthy. On the womens ad, it was solely about how they are good for weight-watching. What sexist drizzle! This is the attitude that young girls are facing-skinny is good and men are smarter than you.

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oneeyedunicornhunter says...



Who knew there could be such a debate about ...pants? :shock: I didn't.

Perhaps the simplest solution to this problem would be to wear men's pants.
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Indigo that ad was actually one whole ad in the US. Men typically worry about their heart and nutrition, such as all the vitamin ads and ones for prostate health... which is a grossly underfunded program compared to breast cancer. I dunno if it really was to seperate ads in the UK, but here, the commerical was charming and whole.

Steve got owned because she was eating it for the nutrition that he was. If anything it was not sexist because of that dialogue.

Though I don't see how that fits into a topic about women's pants at all. >.>

Edit:
Found a copy of the ad, apparently it is english dubbed... so I do not know how the ad was split in the UK. It is on youtube and the youtube comments are well... crass. Though it doesn't seem like any content was changed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IZ9CL4phPk

Though one comment does make things clear:

OHCMONOWTHINK
"Imagine this one in reverse. Just a commercial. I know. Advertising agencies are hired at enormous cost to produce ads that work. Americans are taught to love the idea of the submissive impotent male. You're a hero if you allow a woman to *bleep* on you in this country. Another lowest common denominator american *bleep* concept. Cereal sold through the glorious hollowed out man willingly submitting to a insecure woman. Mmmm makes me want to enjoy dried oat some puffs. This *bleep* is getting scary."
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Rodhead says...



God gave us handbags so we would not have to stuff things into our pockets!

God did not give us men so that they could stuff our things into their pockets!
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FLyerS says...



I think you are over reacting. I am a female, so I can safely say, that if you buy pants that have no pockets and you want pockets, you are an idiot.
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BondGirl007 says...



Personally I think feminism as it is now is a load of crap. I agree with the original feminist movement, because they were fighting for equal rights between men and women, and the feminism that exists today, as I see it, is women trying to be better then the men! Or even worse, trying to make women act like men!

I am a female, and am quite happy being as such. I don't want to be a guy (not that there's anything wrong with being a guy) but I think that feminist's are trying to be just like the men, and it makes me sick! I have known women like this, and they hate men, just because they are born male. Yet they try to act male.

I have a bunch of pants that are cute, and have plenty of pocket space. Also who really wants pants with huge pockets that go halfway down your leg? I find those more uncomfortable then the pants with tiny pockets.

But I have a solution to Snoink's problem! Everyone that can find a pair of girls pants with large pockets, send them to her. Or have you tried going to thrift stores? They have a ton of great pants!
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caitlin*elizabeth*rose7 says...



Well this topic is old. Hmm. Oh wellz. It's, perhaps, one of the funniest debates I've ever read :D

My opinion on this topic, now:

The fashion industry is annoying. For women and girls, they styles uncomfortable and tight. Yes, we have the choice to wear baggier styles, and, yes, they're out there. But... These styles just aren't what the industry considers "cute" and "in". We have show on TV that de
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Archstormangel says...



I was complaining about that recently. I wouldn't take ti that far, but girl's pants needs bigger pockets is all I'm saying.


I think it's like that because girl clothes are supposed to look delicate, and large flappy things do not look delicate.
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adri-rox_94 says...



well, thats very...inciteful.thats never come to mind and ik that our pockets are small, but i didnt realize that they were getting smaller and on purpose....i guess that is unfair....:[
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indigochild1991 says...



Bond Girl, I am a feminist and I am not trying to be a man, so don't worry about nausea!!
I am happy to be a woman and know the power we have as women and all the rest and I like to look HOT. When I look good, I feel good and my attitude is lighter and happier.

No no no the reason I'm a feminist is for things like FGM and other horrible misogynist and disgusting practises that heppen for 'honour.' That's why I'm a feminist. I mean, when I walk down the street, bcause I'm naturally curvy I get wolf whistles and disgusting looks from old men! Honestly, men much older than me! I'm only seenteen but I do look older. I'm ot trying to be a guy at all!!

I think I've sort of veered off th point of this argument, but I'm simple responding to feminism among people like myself being trashed!

I know the kinds of people you mean, but I am not trying to be better than men. Men and women both are amazing for their differences AND similarities. Feminism now just reaches out to things like FGM, certain feminists reach out to objectifying uses of pornography...

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Snoink says...



But I have a solution to Snoink's problem! Everyone that can find a pair of girls pants with large pockets, send them to her. Or have you tried going to thrift stores? They have a ton of great pants!


I agree whole-heartedly to this statement.

Also, since this debate was written, women's pants have gotten bigger pockets, no doubt because of the influence of this topic.

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StellaThomas says...



I disagree with Madam Snoink. Women's pockets remain woefully small. Perhaps in California things are different. We should start a bra-burning rebellion, except instead of bras, we burn trousers.

Or, alternatively. Wear skirts/dresses with pockets! I have several of these. Of course, that does not give us the same opportunities as men, you say, to wear trousers. Then clearly men should wear dresses too. The world would be a prettier place.
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