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Mon Aug 21, 2006 6:26 pm
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This is RIDICULOUS:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14452732/


Turner to ax smoking scenes from cartoons

Cable network to remove decades-old sequences after viewer complaint

LONDON - Turner Broadcasting is scouring more than 1,500 classic Hanna-Barbera cartoons, including old favorites Tom and Jerry, The Flintstones and Scooby-Doo, to edit out scenes that glamorize smoking.

The review was triggered by a complaint to British media regulator Ofcom by one viewer who took offence to two episodes of Tom and Jerry shown on the Boomerang channel, part of Turner Broadcasting which itself belongs to Time Warner Inc.

“We are going through the entire catalogue,” Yinka Akindele, spokeswoman for Turner in Europe, said on Monday.



Maybe some agree with this, but this is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. Smoking is bad for you, in fact it's terrible for you, but you shouldn't go back and edit the past! Besides, it changes nothing. Kids start smoking because of peer pressure and lack of parental involvement, not because a cat is sharing a cigar with a mouse.
  





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Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:53 pm
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See, this is why the PC Police should be shot. Freedom of speech? And we can't ignore the past. That's just destructive.
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:54 pm
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That completly ridicolous that like saying that it stupid for Tom to get chopped by a chainsaw ect. Sure he getting flattened ect, but it not taking it serious. Half the things that happen in that cartoon a cat would die from. That person is such an idiot, it fricking fiction.
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 7:59 pm
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well, thats a load of BS.

Just shows how far people will go to be a little PC.

None of this would be a problem if we could all stop suing the pants off eachother.
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:18 pm
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That is so stupid! People are going to smoke until they make it illegal and probably even then! Its not like we do everything we see on TV! If we did we wouldn't live past one! I like watching HP but I don't run to London and use my "wand" to hit on bricks and I don't jump off the roof on a broom! Its so dumb!
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 8:53 pm
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I suppose then they'll want to be editing out the Tom and Jerry knocking eachother off cliffs, bashing eachother's heads in, chasing eachother with knives...?

Cartoons, well, might as well be deleted permanently for imitative behaviour. @_@ Oy - of course, I see kids every day smoking like Jerry, jumping off cliffs like Bugs Bunny...etc.

Thick sarcasm - this would be funny if it weren't true...it's almost amusing anyways.
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Mon Aug 21, 2006 9:15 pm
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Because it's so popular in this thread. :D

I think there are some aspects of very old cartoons that would need editing for modern audiences, but exhaling pixel smoke isn't one of them...
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Tue Aug 22, 2006 6:45 am
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David Guinness wrote:I think there are some aspects of very old cartoons that would need editing for modern audiences, but exhaling pixel smoke isn't one of them...


Stop right there. What's this whole business about editing art work?

Cartoons are artwork, comedic in nature? Yes, but artwork just the same.

Cartoons, like art, shouldn't be 'edited' for an audience. Adorning the Mona Lisa in bling won't make it any better, neither would "editing for modern audiences." Great Cartoons are timeless, they don't need editing.

I think that when we try to restore art work, it is good since we are bringing it back to the original condition. Editing art work, on the other hand, is tantamount to desecration.

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Tue Aug 22, 2006 3:53 pm
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I doubt the artfull credibility of tom and jerry, or scooby doo. Yeah, someone put a lot of work into them, but they're far from artfull.
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Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:33 pm
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I think what David is probably referring to is the really old cartoons, like the one where Porky the Pig says, "Son of a, Son of a, Son of a gun! Hahaha, I bet you thought I was going to say son of a b****, didn't you?" But those don't even have to be censored since they're never shown on TV.

What I can't understand is how are they going to censor cigars and cigarettes in old cartoons. Are they going to put a big black block that says censor on it? Or are they going to redraw it, or just completely cut it out?

And what do they mean about portraying it as "glamorous"? From what I can remember, nothing in the Flintstones was glamorous, and when they did smoke at say a Water Buffalo lodge meeting, it certainly didn't look fun.

But maybe they have a point. After all, I love to go wabbit hunting with a hat that's twice as tall as me.
  





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Tue Aug 22, 2006 4:47 pm
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Probably just redraw it. Its not that hard to do anymore, but even without computers, they could still do it without much problem.
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 12:20 am
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I think what David is probably referring to is the really old cartoons, like the one where Porky the Pig says, "Son of a, Son of a, Son of a gun! Hahaha, I bet you thought I was going to say son of a b****, didn't you?"


Yes, thanks. That's exactly the kind of thing I'm referring to. There are also other cartoons where there's obvious racial/sexist discrimination.

My concerns on these cartoons weren't so much TV-related,as they were public venue related. There have been a few incidents at public libraries and community centers when someone thought it would be fun to watch 17mm cartoons, and then every parent in the place files a complaint with the city.
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:17 am
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This is going a bit overboard, I think. Why bother messing with these cartoons. Because that is all they are. Cartoons. Sure, seeing stuff like this on TV and in movies may increase a kid's chance of doing these things, but it is such a tiny factor.

Cencorship is fine, but only to a point. We do have to keep in mind things like freedom of speech and freedom of expression.
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:40 am
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So... a company can'r censor itself? Freedom of speach is just that. The freedom to say what you want, when you want. If you don't want to say something, why should you have too?
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Wed Aug 23, 2006 1:47 am
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If you were replying to me, where did I say that? I was talking about cencorship in general. My point was that it's fine as long as it does not interfere with freedom of speech.
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