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PostPosted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 7:04 am    Post subject: Chapter One (Stranger's Entrance) of Archer's Legend Reply with quote

A Few Notes:

-A friend of mine on Livejournal helped me with the chapter title.

-This is still rough, obviously. I had a hard time describing the part where the figures (toward the end of the chapter) came and told Kaliyah to go with them, but that's something that can be worked on when I go to edit it, after the draft is finished.

-As far as critiquing goes, just basic stuff, other than grammar and stuff (I plan on dealing with that eventually). Characterization, plot, that kind of stuff works. I don't plan on dealing with the grammar and whatnot until after I've finished the first draft (because otherwise it tends to frustrate me and I give up), which is why I ask for more generalized critiques that don't include grammar if possible.

-Anne is not going to be her actual middle name, mainly because it's too modern for when this takes place and I haven't been able to think of another name.

Chapter One:

Stranger's Entrance

The stench of dust filled her nostrils as she entered the abandoned throne room. It was evident that she was possibly the first to step in to the room in more than forty years.

Kaliyah’s green eyes darted around the room. Straight above was a high, arched ceiling made of glass. Below a balcony with stairs on either side was a dais where a throne awaited. She walked slowly to the dais and climbed the small set of stairs, standing in front of the throne. She lifted her fingers back up and looked at the dust that now covered her finger before flicking it off.

Her eyes narrowed to the ground as she heard footsteps from behind her. She turned slowly and found herself staring in to a set of dark brown eyes.

“Hello, Archer.”

Kaliyah sat up, a tight frown on her face. It took her a minute to realize where she was after looking around and saw that she was in her room. With a sigh of relief, she pushed the covers off her legs and moved to stand so she could get dressed.

A few minutes later, she walked out of her room and down the hall to the top of a back staircase. After pushing her red hair behind her ear, she walked slowly down the stairs, which led to the kitchen of her parent’s house.

Sitting at the table eating their breakfasts were her youngest and oldest brothers, Jasek and Kaldar.

“Good morning, Kaliyah,” her mother greeted as she came from the other entrance.

Kaliyah looked up as her mother walked over to her and planted a kiss on her forehead. She then stepped back and raised an eyebrow, placing her hands on her hips.

“Kaliyah Anne, what are you wearing?”

Kaliyah looked down at her clothes. She wore a pair of brown boots going to just below her knees, partially covered by a pair of brown pants.

She wore a white tunic with loose sleeves and leather arm guard on each wrist.

“What’s wrong with what I’m wearing?” Kaliyah asked, frowning.

“I think you know what,” her mother replied.

“You better not let Father catch you wearing that,” Kaldar teased, looking up at his sister.

She shrugged after a moment’s hesitation, “So I won’t let him see me.” She walked toward the kitchen entrance. “I’ll be back later.”

After waiting to hear the front door close, Kaldar shook his head, “Too much like Erabus for her own good.”

“Kaldar, shh! Do you want Kaliyah to hear you?” her mother scolded in a soft whisper. “Your brother meant the world to Kaliyah. If she heard you say that . . .”

“Jealous, Kaldar?” Jasek interrupted.

“No, of course not,” Kaldar said, eyebrows coming together as he frowned. “It’s just . . . she needs to grow up, and part of that means putting her bow and arrow away and forgetting about it.”

“I still think you’re jealous,” Jasek teased.

Kaldar scowled at his brother, moving to stand up. He pushed his chair back to the table.

“Perhaps she does need to grow up,” her mother cut in, looking at her son. “But putting her bow and arrows away would just be more of a reminder of Erabus’s disappearance. Besides, she’s only seventeen; there’s still time for her to grow up on her own without jealous brothers trying to make her do so,” she smiled a bit.

“I’m not jealous!” Kaldar glared at his mother before walking to his mother, who stood with her arms crossed at her chest, watching as her children bickered. He leaned down to kiss her on the cheek before pulling the strap of his bag over his shoulder. “I’m heading back to the barracks. I’ll be training a lot over the next few weeks, so you won’t see me for a while.”

As he started walking toward the main kitchen entrance, Kaliyah, who had been leaning against the wall, immediately walked toward the door and opened it.

“Kaliyah, wait,” Kaldar said as soon as he saw her standing there.

Kaliyah just looked up at him somberly before opening the door wider and walking outside, closing the door shut behind her.

*****

The streets of Kalevi were crowded today, though Kaliyah suspected that it was due to being market day. She kept walking further from her house, not looking over her shoulder to see who was standing at the door when she heard it creak open.

She didn’t know whether to be frustrated or hurt by the words of her siblings; perhaps she was a bit of both. The mention of Erabus, her second oldest brother that she had been closest to, had brought up old feelings that she hadn’t felt for almost a year now.

With a heavy sigh, Kaliyah set out into the streets, heading toward the center of town.

A family friend named Jacira lived in one of the smaller houses on the main street. For the longest time Kaliyah had been convinced that Jacira and her grandfather would have made a perfect match, despite the two denying such a possibility, though not in front of each other.

She walked toward the house and opened the unlocked door, which was usual for Jacira. As soon as she stepped in, her nose caught wind of the aroma of a freshly baked pie.

Kaliyah walked straight ahead and in to the kitchen area, where she saw Jacira in a rocking chair in the corner of the room, rocking slowly and knitting what looked to be a blanket. Sitting on the windowsill was a pie, steam still coming from the top of it.

The woman, who was seventy in age but far from frail looking, looked up from her knitting, squinting at Kaliyah and peering at her. “Kaliyah?” she asked. “Well, where’ve you been, girl? You haven’t visited in . . . five, six weeks now!”

Kaliyah gave a soft smile, moving to pull a chair from the table in the middle of the room and sit down. “Sorry, Jacira. I’ve been a little busy.” Not entirely true, but it would serve her purpose for now, which was to avoid talking about what she had actually been doing.

Jacira raised an eyebrow and looked carefully at Kaliyah through her deep blue eyes; she narrowed them before putting her knitting on a small table by her chair.

“Your father tells me he’s worried about you,” she said. “And I don’t blame him. You’ve been . . . distant lately.”

Kaliyah shook her head, “I’m fine, Jacira. I’ve just been keeping to myself more than I used to, that’s all. Besides, my father always worries about me.”

“He didn’t used to,” Jacira countered. “Not when Erabus was around to watch after you.”

Kaliyah bit down on her lower lip at the mention of her brother’s name. What was with people bringing him up all of a sudden? Why can’t they just . . . let him stay dead and leave it?

No one knew for sure if Erabus was dead, of course; they had searched for a few months for him and found no trace. Eventually they gave up searching and assumed that he had been killed.

“Yes, well . . . I’ve grown up. I don’t need anyone to watch after me,” she replied in a grumble. “Look . . . if all you’re going to do is ask me questions so that you can report how I’m doing to my father, I’m just going to leave.”

Jacira looked taken aback by the harshness in Kaliyah’s tone, but the hurt disappeared from her face after a moment. She nodded slowly, “I was only trying to help, Kaliyah. That’s all any of us are trying to do. “

Kaliyah sighed and nodded, considering the woman’s words. She knew that they were all just trying to help, even though she didn’t believe she needed the help. She had slowly begun getting over the disappearance of her brother some time ago, and it didn’t help when people continuously brought him up. It just makes things worse for me in the end, she thought.

Her head turned and she looked out the window. She stood and moved toward it, watching as various people passed by and went about their business.

Wandering through the street to the right was a cloaked figure, huddled over and walking in a hurry. It was tall and it was hard to make out any other features as it walked further and further away. But for some reason, Kaliyah’s eyes were drawn to it, watching as it continued walking.

Jacira looked at the girl curiously, turning her head to one side. “What are you watching?”

Just as the figure disappeared from sight, Kaliyah tore her eyes away, looking to the floor. “Nothing,” she replied after a moment. “I just thought I saw . . . something.” She looked back up at Jacina, who raised an eyebrow. “It was nothing, Jacira. I’m going to head out now.”

She turned to start walking away, but stopped when she felt the older woman grab her wrist. She looked down at the hand before looking back up.

“Kaliyah . . . be careful,” she said before slowly letting go of her wrist.

With a small frown, Kaliyah nodded slowly before turning away and walking back to the front door. She placed her hand on the doorknob and turned it, then looked back over her shoulder at Jacira. With a sigh, she looked away and opened the door, walking back out in to the crowded street once more.

A few buildings away from Jacira’s house was a weapon’s shop that Kaliyah visited often. Mostly she liked to just look at any new weapons the sword smith who owned it had that he’d made. On some days she bought new arrows, since her brother hadn’t been able to teach her how to make them himself before he disappeared.

Kaliyah entered the weapon’s shop just as a robed figure with the hood pulled up started walking out of the entrance, making it very awkward. Once she squeezed through, she turned her head over her shoulder and watched as the figure walked away. She frowned as she recognized it as being the man she had seen outside of Jacira’s. After a moment, she turned her head back and began looking around. Save for the owner sitting behind one of the cases of weapons, the shop was empty of anyone else besides her.

She walked to the case that the sword smith sat behind and looked down in to it. There were some long swords on the top shelf, and below them on the same shelf were a few jeweled daggers. Beneath them on the bottom shelf were some knives and throwing stars.

“’Ello, Archer,” the sword smith greeted.

Kaliyah looked up and looked at the sword smith with a grin, “Hello Andrius,” she greeted. “Got any new arrows in stock today?”

“Not today, Archer. Been getting requests for swords lately. I’ll probably have some more arrows within a few weeks,” he replied. The sword smith stood to his full height, which was a mere 5’5,” and showed the rest of his plump body. He reached up to scratch at the start of a beard on his chin as he walked over to one of the other cases full of weapons. He reached in to the case from behind and pulled out a long sword, sheathed in a scabbard, placing it on top of the case and unsheathing it.

The sword was decorated with three different colors of jewels, totaling five, with blue and green as repeated colors. On the blade was a rose design, with small writing beneath it.

“I made this just a few days ago. I was able to buy the jewels in the market for a cheap price, and I used a method my Pa taught me when designing the rose,” Andrius replied.

Kaliyah watched as Andrius pulled the sword out of its sheath; her eyes were instantly drawn to the jewels, first, then to the rose on the blade. “May I?”

With a nod, Andrius handed Kaliyah the sword by the handle first. Kaliyah took the handle and used her other hand to hold the heavy blade up. It was lighter than most swords she’d held before. She turned the blade over once before looking up at the sword smith. “How much?”

The sword smith thought for a moment before responding. “Thirty-five Adrostos, and nothing less.”

Kaliyah thought her eyes were going to bulge out of their sockets when she heard that price. Thirty-five Adrostos was a lot of money; money that Kaliyah didn’t have even on her best days in archery tournaments.

With a soft smile, she placed the sword back on the counter. “I think I’ll pass. Swords were more my brother’s weapon, any way,” she said, trying to hide the disappointment in her voice.

“Aye, your brother did have a good hand with a sword . . . shame what happened to him, that,” Andrius replied.

The theme of the day seemed to be “remind Kaliyah about her brother’s disappearance.” All it did was bring more pain to her heart.

She turned away and walked to the door of the store, opening it and walking back out in to the streets. She didn’t know where else she wanted to go; she had gone to the two places she had planned on, and they had brought her nothing but pain with old memories. She walked down the street once more until she finally came to an opening between some buildings on the left side of the street where she could see a large clearing and a forest behind it. She turned to walk between the two buildings and in to the clearing.

Just as she was about to step in to the clearing, two men stepped out from next to the buildings in front of her. She stopped and turned to walk back between the buildings but a third man stood in her way. She turned back to look at the first two men. All three wore long brown cloaks with the hoods pulled tightly over their faces.

“Are you Kaliyah Pentalas?” the man on her right asked.

“I . . . am. How did you know my name?” she replied hesitantly.

“That’s not important right now. What is important, however, is that you come with us, and quickly,” he replied.

“Go with you where? And why should I?” she replied.

“Because if you don’t, Balin here will have to use . . . physical force,” the one on her left replied, nodding to the man behind her.

She looked over her shoulder to see a tall man at least six feet tall, with a buff chest and shoulders. In his hand he held a small dagger. She didn’t have a choice but to go with them. “All right . . . I’ll go with you,” she said as she looked back at the men.

They began leading the way, the first two men walking in front of her with Balin behind her.

*****

The men led her in to the forest and through one of the main trails, one that she’d been on many times when at the side of her brother. In fact, the last time she had walked the trail was not long after he had disappeared.

The men stayed quiet, and so she did the same. Thoughts ran through her head as she wondered where she was being taken. She supposed those who had . . . certain intentions wouldn’t know her name before hand. Perhaps these were the friends of one of her brothers; yes, that had to be it . . .

They entered a large clearing where three other cloaked figures stood awaiting them, all with the hoods pulled tight around their faces. A total of eight rocks large enough to sit on sat in a circle within the middle of the clearing.

The three figures that had brought Kaliyah to the clearing moved to three of the rocks and stood behind them, saying nothing. Kaliyah watched them move behind the rocks and frowned. She opened her mouth to ask why they had done that and what was going on but was interrupted.

“Greetings, young Pantelas,” one of the figures who had been waiting for them greeted. “My name is Faran. Do you know why you are here?”

“No. I was hoping you would tell me,” Kaliyah replied with a hint of sarcasm in her voice. She crossed her arms over her chest as she waited for them to explain what was going on.

A smile played at the tips of Faran’s lips, “Aye, and that we will, Kaliyah. But I do not think it is my job to tell you.”

“Then who’s is it?”

“Mine,” replied the hooded figure in the middle of the three. The figure pulled its hood back, revealing a man standing not much taller than Kaliyah herself, at about 5’9”. He had a long scar running from just below his left eye to above his top lip, and brown hair pulled back in to a short ponytail. His eyes settled on Kaliyah, attempting to make eye contact.

Kaliyah stood there with her mouth agape. If it weren’t for the dark blue eyes she made eye contact with, she wouldn’t have believed who it was.

“Erabus?” she asked in a half whisper.

He nodded slowly, walking toward her. “It’s me, Kaliyah.”

Kaliyah looked up at him; her eyes landed on the scar along his cheek. That hadn’t been there the last time she had seen him.

It was then that a sudden burst of anger began to grip at her heart, deep within her chest. Her brother was standing there like nothing had ever happened, and she hadn’t been mourning for him for the past year. The more the anger gripped at her heart, the harder she found it to resist.

So when she found herself walking at a fast pace toward him, and her left fist swinging toward his cheek, hitting it hard, she was surprised at herself but relieved at the same time to know that he wasn’t a ghost come to haunt her from the grave. The smacking sound from his cheek hitting teeth confirmed that he was definitely not a ghost.

“You’re supposed to be dead,” she said through gritted teeth. “Everyone thought you were dead.”

Erabus stumbled as his sister’s fist punched him hard in the cheek, his head turning to one side. After a moment he turned his head back to look at her, a look of surprise on his face for a moment. Of all the reactions he had been expecting from his sister, a punch in the face was not one of them.

“I’ve been alive all this time, Kaliyah. I just . . .” He sighed, as though beginning to realize that perhaps he had made a mistake. “I was forced in to hiding for a while.”

“A year is hardly “a while,” Erabus. And it still doesn’t excuse your not telling me you were just going to disappear for a while,” Kaliyah replied.

“It was for the best, considering the circumstances,” the figure on Erabus’s left said. “For reasons we’ve yet to tell you, we had to make it seem like Erabus was dead until the right time.”

Kaliyah looked at the figure for a moment before her eyes traveled back to her brother. “Mother and Father gave up looking for you. Everyone believed you had been murdered, even though no body was found . . .”

“It’s better for them to keep thinking I am dead,” Erabus replied.

“Even me?” Kaliyah snapped. “Your own sister . . . we used to tell each other everything, and you couldn’t even tell me that you had to leave?”

“Kaliyah, it wasn’t that simple. There wasn’t time to tell you, and you wouldn’t have believed me. I’m still not sure that you will believe us, but we’re here, now, at an important time,” Erabus said with a sigh. “I wanted to tell you, believe me. I didn’t want to hurt you by leaving.”

Just then, Kaliyah heard a branch snap from behind her and whirled around to see another cloaked figure approaching. This time, however, Kaliyah recognized him as the figure she had seen outside of Jacina’s and in the weapons shop when she had entered.

“You . . . what are you doing here? Have you been following me?” Kaliyah asked.

“Not quite,” the figure replied, smirking. He looked to Faran. “We’re all set. Should only take us a few days at most,” he said.

Kaliyah was about to ask what he was talking about when Faran spoke again. “Ah, good,” he said. He then moved toward the circle of rocks, standing in front one of them. Erabus and the other figures followed, standing behind the rocks as the ones who escorted her did. “Kaliyah, please. Join us.”

She hesitated; things were happening a little too fast for her. First she was told to follow strangers in to a forest, and then the brother she thought had disappeared had come back from the dead. And yet . . . she found her feet moving her forward despite her hesitation. Faran motioned for her to sit down on a rock next to Erabus, and she did. The figure that had just entered moved to the last remaining rock, still standing.

“And now, Kaliyah, I believe we owe you an explanation,” Faran said.

-------

Okay, that's it for chapter one. I'm probably going to start working on chapter two tomorrow. Took a few days off from writing, so I can get back to it. ^_^

Pronunciations (to the best of my ability):

Kaliyah (character)- Kuh-lee-uh

Erabus (character)- Eh-ray-bus

Adrostos (currency)- Uh-dros-tus

Andrius (character- An-dry-us

Jacira ((character)- Juh-ceer-uh

Kalevi (place)- Kal-ev-eye


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 6:22 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Phew, I don't have to do grammer. It gives me a headache. The thing I'd really consider is making it shorter. Seeing something this long puts people off reading it.

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The sword smith stood to his full height, which was a mere 5’5,”


SAY what his height is, write it. But don't be exact. Just say "over five feet" or whatever.

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The theme of the day seemed to be “remind Kaliyah about her brother’s disappearance.”


Neat wording. Smile


Word of warning: lots of K names. And I think you should try to put more emotion into Kaliyah's meeting with Erabus. He's been gone for years, and she was very fond of him; from what you show of Kaliyah's character, I would have thought that she'd get angrier, or accuse him more, or refuse to listen to him, just demanding that he tell her NOW!

Well, you get the idea. Smile

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Neat wording.


Lol, thanks.

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And I think you should try to put more emotion into Kaliyah's meeting with Erabus.


Yeah, that's what a lot of others who've read this have told me. I'm not very good at conveying character's emotions. I think part of it was because I was writing that part at some point past midnight so my brain was slowly dying for the night at that point. I need to get in to the habit of finishing a chapter and then looking it over the next day to fix things up (though not a ton) before going crazy posting it because I get excited for potential reviews.

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Actually, he's only been gone for about a year.

On the "K" names, there are only two of them. o.O

As for the length...do you mean it's too long as in I should have posted it in sections, or too long as in...too long for a first chapter? o.O I hadn't thought of posting it in sections, but I think I'll do that from now on. Thanks for reviewing. ^_^

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Well, if this was in a book, a chapter this long would be fine, but on here, it don't half look intimidating. The town's got a "K" name as well. ^_~

You could post other chapters in sections perhaps? I dunno, it might be just moi.

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Eh, I forgot about the town's name. Three "K" names isn't that bad, though.

Yeah, I'll probably end up doing that once I get this next chapter written.

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Not so far into it, I can already see something that I don't really like:

You skip over the setting. What do these rooms look like? Is her room well-lived-in? Does she spend a lot of time there? What about the kitchen? Is it homey or is it large? Does the kitchen have a cookfire or is it just a large hearth? The lighting, the ambience, the setting. Interact with it.

The leather arm guards might be called "bracers". I'm not sure what sort of guards you were going for. Strips or full-on bracers.

Describe the mother, the brother, the sister. What do they look like? What sorts of features do they share with Kaliyah?

When describing Kaliyah's clothes, what sort are they? Rough or smooth, linen or cotton, leather or homespun? Sheepskin?

“You better not let Father catch you wearing that,” Kaldar teased, looking up at his sister.

Why? Why can't her father see her dressed in boys' clothes? "You know how he feels about young ladies like yourself wearing trousers!" Or is it something totally different?

I'm not sure how medieval you want the story to be, but most young girls were wed off around thirteen years old. A mother of a seventeen-year-old girl would be pushing her daughter to wed. Not to mention it would give the perfect reason for her father to not want her wearing trousers. What suitor would want a girl in pants?

What sorts of houses were on the main street? Small, big, illustrious or ramshackle? Was the road dust or cobblestone? I want to be able to feel myself in the setting instead of focus strictly on the character herself.

If Jacira is so old, describe the crags on her face. The wrinkles she's gotten from her long life should definitely be apparent.

The two men that accosted Kaliyah really need to have more presence. They're just cardboard cutouts. Flesh out the peripheral and minor characters just as much as you seem to have Kaliyah. Give them more threatening features like a scowl or scars from previous battles won. Maybe Balin's nose looks squashed because it's been broken more than a few times?

Since Kaliyah believes herself to be able to go without protection, shouldn't she put up more of a fight? She goes awfully quietly for someone who seemed so headstrong just a couple of scenes before.

Again, take us into the setting. Describe the pants off of the forest, the town, the alley, the buildings, the shop with its flanged maces and curved daggers, flamberge swords and other such finery. Maybe he makes armor, too?

Tell me what the weather is like. Is it hot? Sun shining? I'm not sure what time of day it is during the course of the story.

What kind of cloaks are they? Dark is fine at first, but the texture, the actual color now that she's close enough?

I would've been very happy if she'd punched him in the face. You seem to want to make her strong and capable. The calm acceptance of Erabus' reappearance makes her rather unbelievable from the girl at the beginning.

All in all, I believe this piece has a lot of potential. Your writing is very, very raw and your description is very lacking. Take us into the setting. Give us smells and sights, weather and time of day. Give us feelings that the characters are having. Tell us the "why" of these things. Why does Kaliyah wear boys' clothes? Why is her father so upset that she wears them? Why does Kaldar get so angry? Where is their father? Is he at work? Off hunting?

There are so many questions and so much setting you can insert into this raw tale that can give it so much personality and charm. Show us, don't tell us.

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I should note that I didn't intentionally skp the stuff with the setting; I have a hard time trying to describe places, clothing, and rooms with lots of description. I know how I imagined the kitchen, for example, but I have a hard time putting it in to words. I plan on trying to fix all that up, of course, once I finish this first draft (which is why it's so rough, because it's only the first draft) and go back and edit.

Yeah, the arm guards I was talking about are probably called bracers. I don't know that that's necessarily the same term for the ones used for archery (that's the type she wears), but I haven't done enough research yet (I plan to once this first draft is done) to know for sure what they're called.

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I'm not sure how medieval you want the story to be, but most young girls were wed off around thirteen years old. A mother of a seventeen-year-old girl would be pushing her daughter to wed. Not to mention it would give the perfect reason for her father to not want her wearing trousers. What suitor would want a girl in pants?


It's a pseudo medieval world, specifically because I all ready know that she should be married and popping out babies, but I prefer not to write things based on history (mainly because I hate studying/reading about history in general). There are a lot of things, such as a female not being allowed to carry a weapon or just being treated like pure crap (i.e. the men that came to get her in the last , that I know SHOULD be happening in this world but because of it being a world I've created, I can get away with those things, along with her not wearing more feminine clothing.

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I would've been very happy if she'd punched him in the face.


That...is actually not a bad idea. I don't know that she'd punch him in the face, but maybe in the shoulder or something.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Okay... no grammar? Lovely. You don't seem to have bad grammar anyway.

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The stench of dust filled her nostrils as she entered the abandoned throne room. It was evident that she was possibly the first to step in to the room in more than forty years.


First of all, dust does not have a stench. If it has a particularly interesting smell to it, then you actually describe the smell and what it smells like, rather than assigning it a word and just skipping around. The second sentence is also not up to par. Really. You're talking in "it was possibly possible that she possibly took the first possible step, possibly." And yes, I do know that I exaggerated it and my version is uglier, but it's too "possibly" and that makes it seem to be less real to the reader. And that's bad.

Remember, this is your chance to hook the reader in. Trim it, make it sparkle. Right now, it's cluttered with words and really really REALLY doesn't hook. I realize that you don't have to have a beginning that is has a car crash, hot sex, or a train wreck. It can even be contemplative, if you really want. But it must hook!

With that said, the beginning is so cliched. How many stories have you read that start with a dream of a throne room? So what eventually happens is the main character finds out that she's going to be royalty or something special, from her humble beginning, and that she has to fight her way up there, and she does! -- finally becoming royalty and loved and stuff, etc.

I'm not saying this is going to happen in your story, but it seems like it's what's going to happen. If that's what eventually ends up happening, you're going to have to spice up your beginning to be different from the rest of the fantasy novels out there. Face it -- despite all the fantasy novels being published and everything, readers don't really want to read the same beginnings over and over again. So scratch this and try again for something with more pizazz.

If this ISN'T what ends up happening in your story, then you got to change it. It's much too deceptive.

Let's skip the rest of the "Foreshadowing of Doom -- you can tell because it's in italics and oh-so-mysterious!!!" part and go to the meat of the story, shall we?

So basically you have this main character and she is such a rebel and she is wearing clothes that are unsuitable and OMG! She's going to be just like another guy her mom knows and she's going to be killed, etc. And woe is her because her family just doesn't understand her, etc. The first question that I have?

Why should I care?

Oh yeah, she's a rebel and all that jazz, but what I see is a whiny teenager. She has no reaction to the amazing foreshadowing of doom (why aren't characters ever afraid of those dreams? I know that I am terrified after those dreams...) and she goes and dressed and, instead of worrying about anything she decides to go prancing off somewhere to have adventures.

And the mother? Oh. My. Gosh. Don't even get me started on her. If she were really afraid of what could happen to her daughter she would make much much more of a fuss.

Yeah, but some mothers are like that!

This is a fantasy story. She is under her mother's wing and she is 17. That tells me that this is a fairly advanced society. Because societies which are struggling cannot afford to baby their teenagers when their teenagers could be busy making babies. So this MUST be an affluent nation. In fact, it sounds like they're in the USA. Fun stuff, no?

If girls of 17 are treated as such, then you cannot expect to raise to power very easily (they're too young) let alone lead anything important. She has to work really really hard to get any respect, and, even if she does something, she will continually be belittled for her age and there will be many who will try to backstab any attempt she does, just because she's young.

Because that's what her society is like. That's what our society is like.

And if this is supposed to be some medieval fantasy... um... you would have to rewrite the beginning, in the least.

So yeah.

Get to Erabus's part quicker. I mean, at the moment, the whole story is slogging along because the characters are not real enough to act in peace. In conflict, the pace is better and you can focus more on the plot and less on the characters. So either make better characters from the start by making them react to the conflicts given to them, or skip that entirely and go straight to the plot. Because right now, the characters seem to have NO interaction in the world they live in and the only way you can fix that is to make them react within the world they live in.

Hope that helps!

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Stench" might not have been the best word choice, but I would expect that if there's enough dust then it would be extremely obvious that that's what she's smelling.

And no, the throne room is not meant to reveal that she's royalty, and i never planned that. There's a reason behind her having that dream, and she'll keep having dreams that become more intense and realistic (and yes, I realize that dream wasn't intense or anything, but it was only a "baby" dream that I didn't write much of). She might end up finding out that she's "meant to do something" or whatever, but I'm not quite sure what that is yet, so don't worry too much about it.

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So basically you have this main character and she is such a rebel and she is wearing clothes that are unsuitable and OMG! She's going to be just like another guy her mom knows and she's going to be killed, etc. And woe is her because her family just doesn't understand her, etc


Uh, no, that's not it at all. I didn't give any further indication as to why her mother said anything about her clothing or why her father doesn't approve of her wearing such clothing.

That first dream isn't meant to worry. All it's meant to make her do is think that it's strange, but it's not until she gets more dreams that she'll start freaking out a bit more.

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Because that's what her society is like.


What makes you assume that's what her society is like? It's NOT a historical based world. I don't write historical fantasy, specifically because I can't stand trying to deal with history. I'm not saying that she'll have it easy in rising to success or anything. It would be unrealistic to have her be successful so quickly, and I all ready previously knew that.

It's supposed to be medieval fantasy in the sense of swords and magic and whatnot, not in any sort of historical sense, really.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 9:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's supposed to be medieval fantasy in the sense of swords and magic and whatnot, not in any sort of historical sense, really.


This isn't a medieval fantasy, technically speaking.

Dictionary.com wrote:

me·di·e·val
–adjective
1. of, pertaining to, characteristic of, or in the style of the Middle Ages: medieval architecture. Compare Middle Ages.
2. Informal. extremely old-fashioned; primitive.


So, medieval implies that it is historically based. To differentiate from it, you would need to describe the civilization a little bit. You can't just change the rules without letting your reader know.

Also, the dream doesn't seem like a baby dream. It is specific (even if some of the details don't make sense) and fairly vivid. So, considering how vivid it is, why wouldn't the protagonist react to it? If it has that element of realism, then why shouldn't she be a little disoriented when she wakes up?

It should bother her a little bit.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 10:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whatever. The bottom line is that it is NOT historical fantasy.

The only way I meant that it's a "baby" dream is that it's small and there isn't much to react to. She reacts a little bit but shrugs it off. This specific dream isn't really supposed to seem more realistic, it's just supposed to happen through out the story as she keeps having dreams. I don't know how else to explain it. o___o

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 10, 2007 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got to say Awesome story, but (yes I know the terrible but) it's very ordinary, well your main character is at times. I mean I've read so many stories about a female warrior it's not even funny. I'm not saying don't make her a warrior but to have her work a little harder for it. Have the tomboy effect from living with so many brothers. And yeah you can have the older brother teach her stuff about Archery. but maybe have her follow the "woman's dress code" a little more, but more loose clothing that is easy to move around in.

I dunno use your imagination, right now the main character seems to much a mix of Eragon and Gwen from the Princess of Thieves (a movie about Robin Hood's Daughter)

That's really all have to say, great story over all. Just smooth out the edges of your characters. And listen to the other critics before mine (and possibly after) They know what they are talking about Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

AWritersFantasy wrote:
I should note that I didn't intentionally skp the stuff with the setting ... I plan on trying to fix all that up, of course, once I ... go back and edit.


Of course you didn't intentionally skip the setting. It's never intentional. You know what you desperately want to write so the setting just gets in the way of your flurry of thoughts. The only problem is that this entire thing, as Snoink said, doesn't really hook me.

I live for fantasy novels. I read almost nothing but. I just have a problem with looking through murky waters and trying to figure out what time of day it is. It starts with breakfast, but how many hours pass between her family and the strange men in robes? Writing an entire novel and then deciding to go back and add in the setting seems like an awful lot of work. It's best to set a good solid cornerstone for your novel. After all, without a setting, the plot just floats around in dead space.


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Yeah, the arm guards I was talking about are probably called bracers. I don't know that that's necessarily the same term for the ones used for archery (that's the type she wears), but I haven't done enough research yet (I plan to once this first draft is done) to know for sure what they're called.


Again, research is key. It's what drives the meat of your story. I would go back and edit each chapter after it's written. The archer's armguard can be called just that, an armguard, OR it can be called a bracer. I looked it up for you.

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It's a pseudo medieval world ... I prefer not to write things based on history (mainly because I hate studying/reading about history in general). ... but because of it being a world I've created, I can get away with those things, along with her not wearing more feminine clothing.


In a pseudo-medieval world, what makes it pseudo? The swords and sorcery? That's fantasy, not necessarily medieval. Medieval is the culture, as well as all of the other things in Griffinkeeper's definition.

Also, yes this is your world, but why can she get away with those things? Have someone mention something in your society about it being all right for women to wear pants or other boys' clothing. Just saying "it's my world and I can do what I want with it" is a very weak argument. In novels, things have to make sense and "just because" doesn't.


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That...is actually not a bad idea. I don't know that she'd punch him in the face, but maybe in the shoulder or something.


That doesn't have the effect that should be garnered from an obviously-close brother suddenly popping up out of no where. Irrational anger is very appropriate here. Punching in the arm seems too joking. A punch in the face, across the jaw (even if it's weak since she seems more the archer than the unarmed combatant) seems more appropriate for her character type.

I've read countless books that have a female warrior protagonist. Take Tamara Pierce for instance. Alanna, Keladry, that wild-magic girl. They're all very strong female protagonists. Alanna becomes a knight to prove to the boys she can do it. She's a girl who wants to be a warrior, but she works hard for the title. I still don't agree with her reason, but I've read the whole quadrilogy. And a few others after that.

But your main character is a cut-out of all of the other main character female warriors in all the other books anyone's ever read. What makes her different? The first paragraph, or at least the first few, need to hook the reader in and not let go. A dream sequence is a good way to either a) lose readers or b) hook them. Right now, this "baby dream" with her mild reaction to it is a good way to have people put the book down and not pick it back up. She's just not real enough yet.

I realise, and so does everyone else, that this is a first draft. A very rough and raw first draft. But when you post it up, you open it up for critique. If you're not going to edit it as you go, it's best to save your work until you're done with the entire novel.

All of the critiques so far have been excellent. It's wise to listen to it all with a grain of salt, but it's destructive to cast it all away by explaining yourself out of it. I do the same thing, which is why I haven't posted anything of mine. I don't feel I'm ready for something like that.

If nothing else, re-think the setting. What if the dream were in a swamp? Inside of a mountain? Under the water? Change up the setting or the time of day. Think of someplace strange and unusual for something to take place in.

I know you don't want to flesh out the setting until after the first draft is done, but I think that that is the worst thing you could do for a novel.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Whatever. The bottom line is that it is NOT historical fantasy.

The only way I meant that it's a "baby" dream is that it's small and there isn't much to react to. She reacts a little bit but shrugs it off. This specific dream isn't really supposed to seem more realistic, it's just supposed to happen through out the story as she keeps having dreams. I don't know how else to explain it. o___o


She reacts a little bit? Goodness! She doesn't seem to react at all. I mean, she frowns? I frown when I wake up, mostly because I'm sleepy and I didn't want to wake up. Add a creepy dream, and I'm slightly twitchy. No, I know she isn't me, but she should have more reactions than just a frown and a sense of relief.

Okay... let's take another baby dream. This one occurs in "Pirates of the Carribean: The Black Pearl." The movie sarts with a flashback, which evidently is a dream of one of the main characters, Elizabeth. The event doesn't really faze her, not as a child, but when she wakes up, she starts and then finds something to soothe her -- the pirate medalion -- and puts it on. Then this calms her down and she is free to go on with her life.

Little reactions like this can make the difference between a good baby dream and a not-so-good one. By having the character react to it, as slight as this reaction might be, it makes us identify with the character since she is reacting to something which we would probably react to.

I said nothing about history -- if you hate history, you probably won't even have to deal with it. Because let's face it -- you might have everything planned out as far as the history of this place goes, but anything more than needed is an info dump, and that's bad.

No, I am not talking about history.

What I am talking about is society. This is your backdrop of the world that your characters live in and it will affect your characters because, unless they are flat cardboard cut-outs who live in a two-dimensional world, societal rules will influence what they do and think. For instance, take the mother complaining about clothes. This tells me a couple of things:

- Clothes are a symbol of status and clothes DO make the man (or woman, as it were).

- "'You better not let Father catch you wearing that,' Kaldar teased, looking up at his sister." This shows me that this is a patriartical society where the father rules over all.

- From what it sounds like, there could be several conflicts with what she's wearing. It might be because arm guards for her wrists are bad because women are not supposed to be in conflict, or maybe because women aren't allowed to wear pants. It might be because the boots are expensive and her mother doesn't want her to wear it out all at once. You don't specify what, really.

And that's just a couple of things that come into my mind.

And yes, I may be over-reading it, but if I can come up with this, I'm certain that others who are more sophisticated than myself (which is not hard to do) will read this passage and decide not to read the book since it seems to flail around.

Take some time to develop the backdrop that the characters have to interact with, aka society and scenery, and that will help make this story four-dimensional.

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 3:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm not good at world building. I tried it before I started writing this story, and I'm just not that great at it. That's why there are so little details about the society, because I'm not good at coming up with those details. And I'm not very good at describing the places I see in my head and putitng them in words.

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I would go back and edit each chapter after it's written.


I DON'T do that, though, specifically because I've found that each time I try to go back and edit, I become frustrated and give up, which is why I've never finished a single draft outside of fan fics. If I had maybe five to ten chapters written then I would consider doing so. But unfortunately I don't even have much of a second chapter written, and I'm not sure that I like what I started to write of it. Believe me, I started considering going back and editing the first chapter last night, and even made a post about it at my message board (for writers) asking if anyone else has the same trouble as me. I'm trying to keep myself from going back and editing the first chapter because I'm pretty certain that I'll end up giving up if I try.

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That doesn't have the effect that should be garnered from an obviously-close brother suddenly popping up out of no where. Irrational anger is very appropriate here. Punching in the arm seems too joking. A punch in the face, across the jaw (even if it's weak since she seems more the archer than the unarmed combatant) seems more appropriate for her character type.


Mmm, maybe. I was imagining it to be something hard enough to leave a bruise or something, but you're right..she's probably not strong enough to really be able to do that. A slap across the face might be better, but I'm not sure if I see her doing that to her own brother...on the other hand, it would be something that would surprise even herself, which could be interesting.

Archer isn't meant to be some awesome female warrior like Joan of Arc or Robin Hood's daughter in Princess of Thieves (which I have seen and it was just "eh"). Right now it's just meant to seem (and I know I do a poor job of it in this chapter, but it's probably not something that should be revealed RIGHT in the first chapter) like she just has a natural ability for archery and nothing more.

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I've always gotten feedback as I've gone along, and it's only for the last two years (because I discovered that it was best to do so when I was working on something I eventually gave up on) that I decided not to go back and edit anything until a draft is done. As I've said, I don't have any drafts finished outside of fan fics (that absolutely suck for the most part) -because- I've tried going back and editing and have gotten frustrated, or I've just gotten other ideas and have given up on whatever I was currently working on.

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Mmm...I'm probably not going to budge on changing the setting of the dream, because I have an idea for a futre scene that'll have something to do with that dream (it won't be a "oh hey, I know this place. I used to live here!" kind of thing, trust me), and I think it'll be kind of cool, but I'm not sure how long it'll be until that happens in terms of chapters. I don't have much of anything for an outline, and I only have some notes through a few chat seesions with friends who helped me try to plot things out for it.

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