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On Lucid Dreaming

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 10, 2005 8:20 pm    Post subject: On Lucid Dreaming Reply with quote

What is lucid dreaming?

Before I begin, it’d probably be best for me to explain exactly what lucid dreaming is. Well, in short, it’s a dream in which you know you’re dreaming.

The conscious part of your brain wakes up. Not only does this allow you appreciate the dream far more – indeed, it all seems far more realistic (in some cases its impossible to distinguish between the dreamworld and real life) – but now you know you are dreaming, you can use this to your advantage.

How? Simple – its all taking places inside of your head – none of it is real. And as such, you are not bound by the normal rules of reality. Anything you can imagine (and more!) is possible in a lucid dream.

Think of the Matrix (which is actually based off lucid dreaming) for inspiration. Wanna jump real far, fly, run up walls and kill loads of people in an orgy of kung fu madness? Right, go for it!

But of coarse, you can do far more stuff then just that. Anything you can think of can be done… no matter how weird it sounds.

Lucid dreams last varying amounts of time and can last up to (and even beyond) half an hour. Though this may not sounds like very long, trust me… it is.

You may well (and probably) have had a lucid dream when you were younger. Lots people have one or two naturally whilst they are children.

You’ll also probably have had a nightmare and suddenly realised you were dreaming. You will probably have used this to wake yourself up… but instead you could have turned around and made the monster disappear or even fight it.

Oh – and one last thing. Lucid dreaming has been scientifically proven. So there’s no point being sceptical about it.

Interested?

How do I have lucid dreams?

There is a large variety of ways of achieving lucidity. Different people find different ways easier. And different people take long to have their first lucid dream – it can take anything from a couple of days, to a couple of months. Or perhaps even more.

But everyone can have lucid dreams. And everyone who finally has their first LD are not disappointed.

I’ll give a quick run down on some different techniques:

MILD - (Mnemonic Induced Lucid Dream): This is one of the simpler ways. At night, whilst falling asleep, you repeat to yourself a mantra (usually something along the lines of, ‘I will be aware that I’m dreaming.’)

WILD – (Wake Induced Lucid Dream): For most people, this is a more complicated way of inducing lucid dreams. However, you start the dream already lucid, and you can achieve more realistic lucid dreams easier this way.

Whilst falling asleep, you concentrate on a part of your body (say, for example, your breathing). This keeps your consciousness awake whilst the rest of your body falls asleep.

You will experience a number of things before falling asleep though. Such as, hearing things, seeing things, feeling as though you’re falling, not being able to move and feeling as you’re being spun around to name just a few.

VILD – (Visually Incubated Lucid Dream): This is a new technique, and has not been scientifically proven. However, it has proven useful for some – but not so useful for others.

Whilst falling asleep, you have to visualise a situation in which you take a reality check (see below). When this has ended, you repeat. Repeat until asleep – when you will actually dream this and become lucid.

This technique was discovered by Pedro at the ld4all forum.

HILD – (Hagart’s Induced Lucid Dream): This is an even newer technique, but is quite effective. After waking up in the night, when you’re most tired, you relax your body until you’re very nearly asleep.

Then, you move two fingers slightly as though you were pressing keys on a piano. After fifteen or so seconds (or until all the vibrations disappear if you experience them) open your eyes and take a reality check (see below).

If its worked, you’ll be dreaming.

This technique was discovered by Hagart (hence the name) at the ld4all forum.

WBTB – (Wake, Back To Bed): This technique is very useful, and is almost always used in conjunction with one of the above techniques.

Put simply, you set your alarm clock or something to wake you up in the night. You then get up and read for around half an hour (best used with MILD or VILD) or go strait back to bed (best used with HILD or WILD).

RC – (Reality Checks): Very, very, very useful. In fact, pretty much mandatory. A reality check is something you take, and it tells you whether you’re dreaming or not.

No, pinching doesn’t work. You can still feel pain in dreams.

Reality checks should be taken throughout the day – this way the habit will go through into your dreams, and you will take on in there. The more often you take them, the more likely you are to get a lucid dream.

I’ll list a handful of them here:

=> Pinch your nose shut and see if you can breathe though it.

=> Count your fingers to check you have the right amount

=> Look a clock, look away, check it again. Has it changed a lot?

=> Try and out your finger through something (wall, window or your other hand

There are, of coarse a lot more.

One thing to note – reality checks can sometimes fail. So you should always take a mix of them of them (eg. The nose one, the count fingers one, and the put your hand through something one).

DJ/DD - (Dream Journal/Dream Diary): Also very important. But very simple, once waking up in the morning, just write down everything you can remember about your dreams. This way, you’ll find that you’re dream recall will improve (you will be able to remember a selection of dreams in greater detail each night).

These also help you to spot reoccurring dream themes.

Good lucid dreaming web sites.

Right then, here’s three very good lucid dreaming web sites!

http://www.ld4all.com – a very good web site… sign up on the forums too. Everyone there will be more then happy to give you a helping hand.

http://wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_dreaming – a wiki book made by the members of ld4all. Invaluable to anyone considering starting lucid dreaming.

http://www.dreamofpeace.net/sealife – a forum on which you join a ‘dream team’ of around eight members. Here you share your dream stored and help each other out.

That’s everything…

And so, now you know all about lucid dreaming (well, not quite… there’s still a lot more to know, but those links I gave you – especially the second – have everything else if you look).

And so now… now I may put up my own lucid dream stories. Of coarse, everyone else who ahs lucid dreams are more than welcome to put their up too.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 4:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've tried to induce lucid dreaming many times over the past few years, but never to any success; my big problem is not keeping with the routine. Hopefully after reading this I'll be more motivated to go ahead and really apply myself.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 9:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is really interesting. I do remember doing this when I was little.. I really want to see if I can "train" myself to do this now! Thanks for the info! Very Happy

One of the weird things I remember is dreaming that I was in my room.. but I was looking at my body from outside. It was weird. I knew it was a dream, but I decided to watch. My body was sitting on the ground, writing. I looked over "my" shoulder to see what "I" was writing, and I saw lyrics. I then heard "myself" humming the tune, and when I woke up, I clearly remembered everything. It was awesome!

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nate: Try joining an LD'ing forum ( http://www.ld4all.com/forum is a very good one). That seems to help with motivation Smile.

Crysi: Cool Cool.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:11 am    Post subject: a dream within a dream Reply with quote

Pretty interesting ...
I was a little disappointed to see a few spelling errors
But other than that...
I'd never looked into lucid dreaming before
I love to sleep! It's the most blissful state of peace achievable... a tonic... an escape from reality.
To create your own dream world? ... hmm...
Maybe I'll try it!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow you guys have been missing.
A few months back I tried to get into a state of lucid dreams. By reading "How stuff works", a website dedicated to everything science (so religiously blind folks stay away, as it doesnt mention a word of god but more of everything else).

I obtained dreams nearly every night, but to no avail. Though those dreams were quite awesome, I stopped having them when I for some reason stopped caring.

Your own "dream" world *hint hint insert sexual reference here hint hint*.

heres one on how love works (very insightful)
http://science.howstuffworks.com/love.htm

and lucid dreaming
http://science.howstuffworks.com/question742.htm
follow the links and stuff

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I love LD's. They're fun to study and REALLY fun to have. I've only had one. It was years ago, and I forget what it was about, but I know I knew I was dreaming, and it was fun... Very Happy

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(so religiously blind folks stay away, as it doesnt mention a word of god but more of everything else).

Do you ever stop taking shots at Christians? I visit howstuffworks all the time. Rolling Eyes

EDIT: o.O As an experiment, I just closed my eyes, and imagined I was lifting out of my body and seeing pictures and I think I almost had a seizure or something...My heart rate increased and my body went numb and I lost awareness, and now my breathing is heavy and my muscles are all twitchy...What the--?

I'm going to try it again when I try to go to sleep tonight and try not to panic and convulse and explode and stuff.

Also, if I concentrate on something long enough, it will begin to stretch and transform, and the edges of my vision will become cloudy and gray and I become cold and sweaty, and my body feels as I described above. This wouldn't have anything to do with LD's would it? I feel weightless, but my eyes twitch all the sudden, and I feel like I was yanked back...Weird, no?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 26, 2005 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not christians, and if you dont care enough then you wouldnt bother. Only those who are seriously offended by the stuff would get offended (duh).

Check out the rail-gun!
http://science.howstuffworks.com/rail-gun.htm

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 01, 2005 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I remember twice having a lucid dream. They were very entertaining, especially because the second time around, I somehow materialized my imagination and took over the dream. {insert diabolical laugh here}


~Once, in a land long, long ago in a galaxy so similar to this one that it's probably the same one, when dinosaurs roamed the Earth and humans relied on Model T's to get from point A to point B without stalling at point F, I was twelve. The setting was this: I was in my front yard, and it was very dark, perhaps midnight. Since it was my front yard, I can imagine there was little chance of my figuring out it was but a dream... but conveniently, Oscar the Grouch appeared from one of the trashcans in my lawn. Oddly, it was not his presence, but my inability to find the Big Dipper that made me realize I was in a dream. Realizing this, I began conversing with Oscar. Soon, the rest of the Seasame Street gang arrived, and I had a strange gathering of creatures on the nighttime lawn....

But that was nothing to the dream I had when I was 16. By this time, the novelty of talking malformed cloth had been lost, and I was a young high school student. One night, right in the middle of REM sleep, I found myself at school. This was very bothersome; there were pillars, people, and a suspicious-looking fountain that hadn't been there last I'd gone to school. Despite this seemingly undeniable proof of my presence in the ethereal, I had to ask my friends, "Is this a dream?" Cruelly, they responded, "Of course not!" giving me the responses so true to their form that I feared I was just making myself look bad in front of my friends. My suspicions continued to rise, however, and soon I aimed to do something completely out-of-character to test whether it was a dream. I contemplated for a moment what would be the most absolute out-of-character action to do... Thusly, I leveled a friend with a clean left hook. No one noticed, and I thus summoned my imagination and took over. The school bell rang, everyone scurried to class, and I nonchalantly left school. From this I found myself in a commercial parking lot that hadn't been there before, with a line of houses following its border. This parking lot was riddled with cars, so I walked coolly up to one, opened the unlocked door, and began driving the car. I nearly crashed into a house, but this is of no matter. After veering back into the parking lot, I spotted a Burger King across the road. I drove up to it, entering. There upon the booths were old friends who I hadn't seen in ages. My last vision was of a corny ad for a Burger King meal... and then, alas, I was roused by the screeching call of my alarm.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 12, 2005 11:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is soooooooooo coooooool!!!!!!!!!!!!! I can’t wait to try out Ld. Have you successfully done Ld yet??
Thanks foor the interesting facts, Surreal.
I think LD is very “surrealistic”!!!!!!!!

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I've had over 50 LD's. In fact, I had one the other night Wink.

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Thanks, this was very insightful.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This sounds like something that I've been doing for a while now. Whether or not I've been having lucid dreams, I don't know, but I have been having dreams with a certain degree of consciousness in them. I know how to get to such a state too. All you do is lay in bed before falling asleep with music in the background. Leave the music on for as long as it takes for it to blend in with your mind. Ideally you want to listen to music with long songs with large instrumental parts, so check out Dream Theater or Sigur Ros (this one is perfect because they don't sing in English and its easy to get lost in their songs). So you have your mind in a state of dreaming and the music binds you to the waking world; thus somewhat combining the two. Although, I could be way off the mark here.

I'll give those other methods a try.

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I had a dream i could fly, only it was like swimming on water, and it turned lucid so i just paddled around my ceiling all night long. Most of my lucid dreams are violent though.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:07 pm    Post subject: Re: On Lucid Dreaming Reply with quote

This was an interesting piece. It was sort of a how-to informative essay. Quite the conglomeration. From reading this, the overall mood that I got from this is kind of an infomercial. I'm not saying that this is a bad thing, just that that is what it seemed like to me.


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Before I begin, it’d probably be best for me to explain exactly what lucid dreaming is. Well, in short, it’s a dream in which you know you’re dreaming.


You have already begun, so it seems a little odd to say "before" to start with. Maybe just start with "Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines 'lucid dreaming' as... In basic terms, that means..." That may be better.


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But of coarse, you can do far more stuff then just that.


Should be "course" and "than."


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Oh – and one last thing. Lucid dreaming has been scientifically proven. So there’s no point being sceptical about it.

Science cannot prove anything. It is a common misconception to say "Science has proven...", but iit proves nothing. Even scientific laws that are accepted by the majority can be questioned. So, lucid dreaming has not been proven, but it has been tested and the results were that it was possible. Oh, and it should be "skeptical."


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There are, of coarse a lot more.


Should be "course." I saw this in several places, so you may want to go back and check that.


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Right then, here’s three very good lucid dreaming web sites!


Perhaps say "Alright then," or something such as that, since "Right then," seems a little awkward. Also, it should be "Here are" rather than "Here's" (Here is).


I didn't get all the puncutation, grammatical, or spelling errors, but I do suggest that you go back through this and do some polishing. In my opinion, lucid dreaming is a little weird, but interesting. Neat piece!

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