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PostPosted: Thu Oct 12, 2006 11:28 pm    Post subject: saturday night Reply with quote

Jack writes contemporary fiction! Stop the presses. Yeah, this was really a flash fiction kind of thing that I just did to get myself writing. Don't expect Hemingway. It was also a first-person experiment, because I've never actually written a story in first-person before.

Picture the scene: fifty-or-so sixteen to twenty-year-olds dancing around to music pumped up to the highest degree of noise possible; alcohol freely available everywhere you look – wine bottles, beer cans, vodka, whiskey, shot glasses strewn across the carpets and the outside grass. The same is probably happening across the country: it’s the weekend, and pretty much every teenager parties every weekend (from my experiences). It’s the middle of the 1990s, I’ve got a white wine bottle from some goddamn place in France clutched in my right hand, I’m single, some idiot has let the Spice Girls intrude on the nightly soundtrack, and I’m sitting outside on a brick wall.

The grass is wet. Not like a soaking, flooding kind of wet, but the type that you get when heavy dew forms, and it’s dark, and your trainers don’t look like they’re wet but your socks and hence your feet get freezing cold and it’s piss annoying. The air is cold to, and if it wasn’t for my warm hoody I’d probably be inside like the rest of them. I liked it outside though: you got peace and quiet. You’re probably thinking – why the hell would anyone go to a party if they wanted peace and quiet? I don’t know. It’s stupid, I know that. But for some reason I get hyped up for a party beforehand, thinking of the people I could see; then I get there, and I realise all those people suck, and all I really want it to drink some crappy wine, sit outside and watch the stars twinkle in the dark sky, and then get really lonely, probably quite drunk, and just about manage to walk home and collapse on my bed. For some reason I do this every time there’s a party, and I still come back every time.

A group of people walk behind me, laughing. I turn for a moment, catch their faces, don’t recognise anybody, and turn back.

“Hey – are you Will?” says one of them.

“Yeah,” I reply, and take a swig of the wine bottle. It takes like crap. I feel a slight headache coming on, but I don’t care. I’m wondering who the hell this guy is and how he knows my name, mostly.

“Will Holland?”

“Yeah,” I answer, and turn round, noticing the guy has ginger hair. I can’t remember knowing anybody with ginger hair. “How the hell do you know that?”

“Don’t you recognise me?”

“No.”

“We went to Primary School together, man! We were like best friends for five years or so.”

“James?” I asked, confused, because the James I remember had blonde hair, was small while this guy was tall, and was thin while this guy was much bulkier.

“Yeah!” he said, grinning. His friends had long gone, walking up to the house.

“But … James had blonde hair. And was tiny, and skinny.”

He laughed, then, and grinned even more. I still didn’t remember him. This didn’t seem like the guy I had spent five years chasing around playgrounds, climbing up trees with, kicking a ball on the road and on the field. It couldn’t be the same guy.

“It’s been eight years since then. I changed a lot. You changed a lot too, Will.”

It went quiet. Not a nice quiet. Not one of those nice silences where everybody is smiling and there’s this joint knowledge of satisfaction. It wasn’t one of those times. Instead I just felt strange; I didn’t feel like I’d changed. I still felt like the confused ten-year old kid who thought girls were weird.

“Anyway, I’m gonna go inside and get a drink,” James said, if it even was James. “You coming?”

I thought about it for a moment, and then shook my head and took another swig of the wine. “Nah. I’m alright out here.”

“Okay. I might catch you later,” he said, and walked off toward the house.

I don’t know why I wouldn’t go in with him, drink a beer with him or something, talk about the old times, catch up with him, and learn what he’s doing now. For some reason, I just didn’t really give a fuck what he was like now. He wasn’t my James. He wouldn’t be the same. Whatever happened, there would always be that gap between us, because we wouldn’t be the same people. Nothing was ever the same. That’s what’s wrong with the fucking world. Everything has to change, so everything you love turns into something you don’t love, and the cycle of depression begins.

I lied before. There was another reason I came to these parties. You could spell it with five letters. Two Es, an L, and an A. Otherwise known as Elena. Beautiful, sexy, cool, intelligent. A girl I could never have. Probably mainly because I sat outside on a wall rather than charming her inside. Probably because I spent all the time getting drunk on my own and never saying a word to her, but fuck knows if I know how the charm a girl anyway. I’d talked to her before. We had a few classes together. I guess I was her friend, if you could use the word, but I didn’t really care for friendship because I just wished she could be mine and we could have debates about philosophy long into the morning hours and drink brandy or something fucking cool like that and have a cottage in the country or whatever.

I decided to take a walk. I wasn’t drunk yet, that would come later, and quickly; one moment I’d be moving fine, the next I’d have my face in the middle of a bush or something and wouldn’t be able to string two words together.

There was a small wood down the side of the house. We always had parties at this house. Some rich kid called Alex lived here, and his parents always went away, and it was away from the town, so everybody even if they didn’t know who Alex was, or give a fuck who he was, and that was the majority of people, including me, came to the parties. The wood was part of the reason I liked it too. It covered the whole of the south of the big estate around the house, hundreds of trees. I liked walking through it when it was dark. Most people are scared of dark woods because of shitty horror movies or something like that, but I always found it strangely comforting to walk through a wood where you have no fucking idea where you are and you can only really see yourself. As I was walking down to the wood, I could hear some laughter. It was a girl’s. Probably someone talking on a mobile phone. They always came out here to do that, and I hated it, because I wanted the wood to myself so I could get drunk and not have any people get in the way of my plans. I hated interruptions, or obstacles.

I strode confidently to the edge of the woods, where the trees started, ready for a big conflict by telling the aforementioned laughing girl to piss off and find somewhere else to hold her pointless conversation. I stopped in my tracks when I realised the girl was Elena, wearing a patterned green dress, with some jeans underneath. She looked cool and hot and intelligent without being slutty all at the same time. Most girls should take lessons from her. She saw me and smiled and said bye to whoever was on the phone, flipped her mobile shut and slid it into jean pocket.

“Hey William.”

She always insisted on calling me by my full name. It didn’t really bother me, it just sounded strange when what I mostly got was “Will”, “Willy”, “Billy” or “Bill”. It was kind of a pleasant surprise. It didn’t feel bad anyway. Nothing really felt bad when it came from Elena.

“Hey El.”

“Why do you always call me that? It’s so … unflattering.”

“Sorry.” She was right of course. El did sound crap. “So who were you talking to?”

“My evil mother. The wicked witch. Nazi bitch. I swear, if I saw her walking around doing the Hitler salute and brandishing the swastika, I wouldn’t think nothing of it. It anything, I’d probably be glad, because at least she’d stop being clandestine and release her true passion to the world at last, so everybody could fucking see it.”

I didn’t really have any idea what she was talking about, but it sounded clever. That’s why I loved Elena, anything she said, even if she was talking about your name, it never sounded wrong.

“What’s she said this time?”

“She wants me back by midnight. I think she forgot it was the 1990s, and thinks we’re back to the 1850s or something,” she replied, frowning. “So, what are you doing out here walking badly with a wine bottle in your hand? Are you stalking me again?”

“You wish.” I was trying to sound cool, but it came out weird.

“I promise you, sir, that I do not and never have desired for you to come upon me in a wood. It’s not one of my fantasies.”

“What are your fantasies, then?” I was really trying, you know. Going for the cool guy responses. Thought if I tried to sound clever, she might like me. I didn’t have half the wit to compete with Elena though, queen of words.

“Suffice to say they do not include a certain William Holland coming upon me or a wood. Especially not involving some cheap white wine. Funnily enough, I am not attracted to the smell or taste of some six quid beverage from Tesco,” she said, with that beautiful smile of hers, which just exuded coolness. I loved it. “Anyway, like I asked, what are you doing here?”

“I came down here because it’s quiet.”

“So now you get drunk by yourself?”

“I always get drunk by myself.”

“What a wonderful and exciting life you lead, Mister Holland. If only I could share it with you.”

I couldn’t think of what to say. “Uh … you wish.”

She laughed at that. Her face lit up in the process. There was a bench nearby and we both sat down on it. She folded her arms, leant back and looked up at the night sky.

“You’re a strange boy, you know that, Will?”

It was probably the first time she had ever called me that. But I didn’t realise it until later, much later, when I was lying back and running the night through my mind.

“You’re like the opposite of every boy that I know. You’re overly cynical, you crave to be alone, your lack confidence, even if you try to pretend you have it. It’s sort of … attractive. Not in the kind of oh-Mister-William-Holland I have just met the guy of my dreams, you will make me so happy, let’s plan our future right now, scary girly way. But the kind of meeting each other in the middle of a wood on a Saturday night way.”

“I have no idea what you’re talking about.”

“Kiss me.” She turned to look straight into my eyes, the stunning green ones I had dreamt about looking into.

I was too shocked. “What?”

“Kiss me, William, before I change my mind.”

I didn’t argue a second time. I was too eager at first, almost jumping into her embrace, but she slowed me down, twisting my lips side-to-side gently, with obvious experience, and I felt wrong-footed at first but then just enjoyed the taste of her soft lips that I had fantasised about kissing for so long it felt like this wasn’t Elena at all but just another girl I had met in the wood. I thought about all this when I was kissing her, but most of all I thought about how I must be drunk. Otherwise I would never have even tried to talk back to her, and she would probably have lost interest just like James and walked off. I thought I could recognise when I was drunk but maybe not. We were still kissing.

She eventually pulled away, and pushed back a part of her brown hair that had fallen free. She gave me a quick smile, and then leant back and look at the stars again.

“You’re drunk.”

It wasn’t the kind of thing I was expecting her to say after we’d just kissed. I guess I was wishing for something more like – let’s spend our lives together – but that was probably a little too hopeful.

“You’re beautiful.”

“Touche, Will. You must be drunk because I’ve never heard you more eloquent in the short time I have known you.”

“So …”

“So what, William? We kissed, get over it. Stop stumbling like a sixteen-year-old virgin. I’ll see you later, maybe, but that’s doubtful, and I’d say we’d could do this again but it’s doubtful you’ll ever find me in a wood where I’m feel impulsive again. It was probably that straight Vodka I was having.”

I was lost for any kind of vocabulary. I grasped at something. “Umm … yeah. I guess so.”

“Au revoir, monsieur.” She got up, blew a kiss, and walked off up to the house.

I hardly saw her go. I just remembered the taste of her soft lips and the feel of her face inches away from mine. Maybe some changes were good. Maybe I should try and be more conversational once in a while if stuff like that happened. Fuck. I just kissed Elena in a fucking wood. I took a swig of the wine again, finished it, flung it behind me and heard the smashing of glass, and looked up at the stars just as Elena was moments before. They must have been looking down on me as well.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I like it. Reminds me of a cast party and my sometimes dearly pathetic boyfriend.

However there are a few things that need tidying. Sometime it's overly descriptive.

I would comment on the overuse of "and" but I happen to think first-person pieces don't have to be perfect when it comes to vocabulary. You could however stretch the meeting between William and Elena a bit more.

Still (even with flaws) I am still quite fond of it.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You make me want to give your main character a big hug and tell him it will all get better eventually. And I want to punch Elena in the face. But in a good way! Razz

Read through and you'll catch a couple of grammar mistakes. There weren't too many, but I'm not going to point them all out. According to your Squills post, that's not the point of a critique, is it? Wink

The whole James thing felt really out of place...like, I expected it to be important later on, but it wasn't. And it doesn't really add on to the whole Elena/Will thing going on, so that's the one spot where it sort of lacks relevance.

But I did enjoy the rest. An interesting and compelling main character; one that made me want to keep reading this straight through to the end.

And the ending. Unexpected and brilliant.

Nice work for just a quick bit of flash fiction, Jack.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yay! Jack did contemporary fiction!

I have to say that I am most definitely intrigued, and very excited that you posted this. I did notice a few things I thought could be tweaked here and there to make it better, but I really enjoyed my first read-through of it. Forgive the brevity of this post; I have to get to bed.

But I promise I'll come back this weekend and give you a proper critique. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 24, 2006 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry I still haven't done this. I stink, I know.

Just wanted to give this a bump up so hopefully someone else will be reading it and commenting while I'm getting my comments together. Smile

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The air is cold to, and if it wasn’t for my warm hoody I’d probably be inside like the rest of them.
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and all I really want it to drink some crappy wine
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I'm being nit picky, for you jack Very Happy I really liked the way your character described his party going habits in the....third paragraph? no, second.

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It takes like crap.
tastes? Either Your brain was off, or my brain is off and I don't understand any of this.

You know, have you ever heard that people automatically have bad responses to certain names if they know a person with that name they don't like? I have an ex friend names Elena. I choked when I read that. Nice one! lol. I'll read it anyhow, though.

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flipped her mobile shut and slid it into jean pocket.
into her jean pocket.

Now this one is just me being argumentative:
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El did sound crap.
it works like this, but would it be better, 'like crap'?

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It anything, I’d probably be glad, because at least she’d stop being clandestine and release her true passion to the world at last, so everybody could fucking see it.
if. and you repeated 'at least' oh wait...no, its 'at last' the second time. My brain doesn't see it like that...

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and I’d say we’d could do this again but it’s doubtful you’ll ever find me in a wood
it's like you doubled could!

I enjoyed it so much, that I could only pick apart the words and grammar, lol. I loved the story.... I connected to it in such a good way, you do amazing with emotions and all that jazz. I wish this were a novel, I'd like to see more of William.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2006 4:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wow, thanks Claudette! I totally forgot about this story. Don't worry about being nitpicky -- it was probably full of mistakes because I didn't check over it at all. It was just a quick freewrite.

Ari >> Don't worry 'bout it. But thanks for the bump! Smile

Cass >> Thank you! Yeah, I get you on the James bit. I probably should have related it more. If I was to edit it, that part would probably be taken out in favour of something better.

Vamp >> Thanks for reading. I'll definitely think about stretching the conversation out further. I'm sure I could do more with it.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 4:45 pm    Post subject: Re: saturday night Reply with quote

I've been promising you I'd comment for what, more than two weeks now? Well here I am, finally getting around to it. Sorry I'm such a lazy dork face. XD

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The grass is wet. Not like a soaking, flooding kind of wet, but the type that you get when heavy dew forms, and it’s dark, and your trainers don’t look like they’re wet but your socks and hence your feet get freezing cold and it’s piss annoying.

Haha, that's great. Your narrator has such a distinctive voice already, which is nice. He's sarcastic and caustic, but observant too. That's spiffy.

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The air is cold to, and if it wasn’t for my warm hoody I’d probably be inside like the rest of them.

I think Claudette already caught this typo (in fact, I think she covered most of the typos), but don't forget to fix the to vs. too. And is hoodie spelled with an 'ie' even if it's singular? Hmm. It looks weird either way. Oh well.

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But for some reason I get hyped up for a party beforehand, thinking of the people I could see; then I get there, and I realise all those people suck, and all I really want it to drink some crappy wine, sit outside and watch the stars twinkle in the dark sky, and then get really lonely, probably quite drunk, and just about manage to walk home and collapse on my bed. For some reason I do this every time there’s a party, and I still come back every time.

I liked this. I'm not a drinker and I don't go to big parties, but I understand this feeling. You want to get together with friends and get all excited about going out and doing stuff, but once you're there you don't want to talk to anyone and sit there and wonder why you wanted to come at all. You captured this feeling nicely.

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“Yeah,” I answer, and turn round, noticing the guy has ginger hair. I can’t remember knowing anybody with ginger hair. “How the hell do you know that?”

Ginger. Hee hee. That's such a British thing - I love it. I don't know anyone that describes color as ginger. This made me happy.

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“We went to Primary School together, man! We were like best friends for five years or so.”

Does primary school need to be capitalized if it's not a specific school? Maybe that's different in the UK, but I think it's supposed to be lower case.

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It went quiet. Not a nice quiet. Not one of those nice silences where everybody is smiling and there’s this joint knowledge of satisfaction. It wasn’t one of those times. Instead I just felt strange; I didn’t feel like I’d changed. I still felt like the confused ten-year old kid who thought girls were weird.

I liked this paragraph too.

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I lied before. There was another reason I came to these parties. You could spell it with five letters. Two Es, an L, and an A. Otherwise known as Elena.

I liked this too (wow, are we feeling repetition here? lol). It fit with your character - to lie one minute and then randomly tell the truth a moment later with very in-your-face honesty.

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As I was walking down to the wood, I could hear some laughter. It was a girl’s. Probably someone talking on a mobile phone. They always came out here to do that, and I hated it, because I wanted the wood to myself so I could get drunk and not have any people get in the way of my plans. I hated interruptions, or obstacles.

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I stopped in my tracks when I realised the girl was Elena, wearing a patterned green dress, with some jeans underneath.

The irony is delicious.

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I didn’t really have any idea what she was talking about, but it sounded clever. That’s why I loved Elena, anything she said, even if she was talking about your name, it never sounded wrong.

That's such a teenage crush thing; I love it.

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“She wants me back by midnight. I think she forgot it was the 1990s, and thinks we’re back to the 1850s or something,” she replied, frowning.

The double mention of the 1990s felt awkward to me, like you were trying to make some big point of it being 199something instead of the 21st century. Is it important to the storyline? If not, I'd consider omitting it. I found it distracting.

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“You wish.” I was trying to sound cool, but it came out weird.

Ugggghhhh... How many times have I done this? I love and hate it when writing makes me cringe because it reminds me so strongly of something I've done in real life. So points for being vivid and realistic; points off for making Ari uncomfortable. Razz

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“What a wonderful and exciting life you lead, Mister Holland. If only I could share it with you.”

I couldn’t think of what to say. “Uh … you wish.”

LOL!

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“You’re like the opposite of every boy that I know. You’re overly cynical, you crave to be alone, your lack confidence, even if you try to pretend you have it. It’s sort of … attractive. Not in the kind of oh-Mister-William-Holland I have just met the guy of my dreams, you will make me so happy, let’s plan our future right now, scary girly way. But the kind of meeting each other in the middle of a wood on a Saturday night way.”

This girl is so weird. She's one of those people I'd probably halfway hate in real life because she's so smooth - one of those types that makes people like me look and feel even more awkward. I like her as a character, though.

Your dialogue is fantastic. The back and forth is very well done. I get annoyed when people try to toss too much description into their dialogue because they think I want to know exactly what the characters are doing with their hands or how they're breathing as they talk. If it's not important, just leave it to me to fill it in! You did that, and it was nice. Thanks. Very Happy

Overall, I thought it was a nice snapshot moment. Short stories where the author tries to throw in every detail about their main character's life are so annoying. You know, the type where they have to oh-so-smoothly insert a comment about his parents, twerpy younger sister, brilliant cousin, sadistic teacher, and loyal, floppy-eared dog? Yeah, those are annoying. And by not doing that, you made happy! Yay, Jack! Thanks for the read and I hope at least some of these comments were coherent. Very Happy

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 30, 2006 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks so much Ari! Your comments were really nice and great.

I'm really tempted to do NaNo in first person (I keep reading books in first person and I like the way you can do things with it) but I'm gonna refrain from it for now because I have two seperate storylines at the beginning.

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 08, 2006 12:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

No problem. I'm really behind on my critiquing. *glances sheepishly at Snoink*

How's your NaNo progressing? I mean, besides your astronomical wordcount. Razz

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 10, 2006 6:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey,

I've been meaning to read this for the longest time. So, yay, one thing to check off my five page to-do list.

To be honest, the plot has been done before. Cynic-loner arrives at some blazing party with liquor and a girl in mind. Throw around some profanities, build it up for the letdown, atta boy Jack. But wait -- what is this?

I liked it anyway.

Your stories, this one included, always possess this positively refreshing -- something. You could be talking about urine, pocket lint, cracks in the windshield, anything, and it would still be so damn eloquent. It could be the oldest story in the book and you'd make it a good read for me. I'm not sure why it is. The note in your narrator's voice, the way you paint it all so painfully real, I think is something I can identify with.

I don't have anything constructive to say. You should write more in first person, you'll improve gradually the way you did with your poetry.

As for this story, if you plan on keeping it around, editing, putting it in your portfolio, I would recommend you condense. Your narrator is no Holden Caulfield -- rambling on about "wanting to get fucking drunk" gets old after awhile. Salinger was trying to prove a point socially with his rambles; what's yours? I understand it's part of the character, whatever. Are you illustrating a lost and lonely boy, glorifying drinking, talking about the turmoils of young love? Whatever your point is, building the story around it, condensing, and adding some original and creative images into your already well-written piece would give this power.

If you don't plan on doing anything with it, though, I wouldn't really bother.

Alright, that's enough from me.
Nice job, Jack.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2007 2:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I actually really liked that. However, I must exercise my evil teacher-ness by saying that you need to control yourself a bit in the writing area.
For instance:

Not like a soaking, flooding kind of wet, but the type that you get when heavy dew forms, and it’s dark, and your trainers don’t look like they’re wet but your socks and hence your feet get freezing cold and it’s piss annoying.


Now, I know he's supposed to be a guy, and this is his point of view, but you need to write it a bit more like...argh, I'm having a lot of trouble explaining. What I mean is, instead of "but the type that you get..." you should switch it around so it might be more like this:
"It wasn't a soaking, flooding wetness. It was the kind..."
Well, you know what, maybe I'm just making it worse. I'm no help at all. It would be easier if I could grab a red pen and do all my evil exes.
By the way, I'm not a teacher. When I said "exercise my evil teacher-ness" I just...well, don't ask me what I meant. I'm really not good at articulating what I feel.
Maybe that's why I write depressing things.
I'll try to lighten up.
It was good, otherwise. And I'm not criticizing this for the swear words, I don't mind them at all. Just had to clear that up.
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