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backgroundbob
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: Islamic Sexism in Afghanistan |
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Once I was held captive in Kabul. I was the bride of a charming, seductive and Westernised Afghan Muslim whom I met at an American college. The purdah I experienced was relatively posh but the sequestered all-female life was not my cup of chai — nor was the male hostility to veiled, partly veiled and unveiled women in public.
When we landed in Kabul, an airport official smoothly confiscated my US passport. “Don’t worry, it’s just a formality,” my husband assured me. I never saw that passport again. I later learnt that this was routinely done to foreign wives — perhaps to make it impossible for them to leave. Overnight, my husband became a stranger. The man with whom I had discussed Camus, Dostoevsky, Tennessee Williams and the Italian cinema became a stranger. He treated me the same way his father and elder brother treated their wives: distantly, with a hint of disdain and embarrassment.
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Nevertheless, Western intellectual-ideologues, including feminists, have demonised me as a reactionary and racist “Islamophobe” for arguing that Islam, not Israel, is the largest practitioner of both sexual and religious apartheid in the world and that if Westerners do not stand up to this apartheid, morally, economically and militarily, we will not only have the blood of innocents on our hands; we will also be overrun by Sharia in the West. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 08, 2007 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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I'm pretty communist in my leanings: if absolute equality is not only encouraged but enforced* then something is wrong. If discimination is encourages or enforced, then things need to be shaken up, and they need to be shaken up now.
I never understood how people who are being discrimiated against (women, homosexuals, whatever) can believe in the religion that's discriminating against them. (Although it's worth mentioning that, as I've said, I'm practically a godless commie, so I've no basis for comparison.)
I think what really riles me about this whole thing with Islam isn't Islam, just the crazies who appropriate it (or any other religion) to make their lives better and other peoples lives worse.
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Posted: Fri Mar 09, 2007 10:03 am Post subject: |
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That was hard to read. I don't mean the words, but what actually happened. I know my Mum and her female relatives weren't treated like that, even though she had a hard time living up to her mother-in-law's 'standard'.
It really disgusts me that women are treated so bad, especially when Muslim men—I know a few—who say all people [race, gender] are treated equally. Yet, when your backs turned, they start discussing with other religious men about you and how you are opposing your religion because you've been brought up amongst Christians and atheists.
The passport incident brings back a memory of when my sister, who wears the jilbab, went to Dubai and got her passport snatched and she argued for ages before they gave it back. She was really scared she'd never get it back since there was no male 'escort'. |
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Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 4:14 pm Post subject: |
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| The difficulty is that the muslims are not just oppressing the women because they can - some of the women actively want to wear the veil. I've heard articulate women arguing that the hijab is in fact more liberating than western female clothing, because it objectifies women less. While this certainly has some truth in it, I think that as justification for hiding yourself in what my mother, in her angered extremely feminist way, describes as a black bin bag it fails utterly. In England, Jack Straw, a notable MP, recently commented that he felt it was a total barrier to communication. I feel that forcing women to wear the hijab is just another form of objectification. |
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